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Great research.

It’s wrong that I am not surprised.

“Sigh”
“The horse is dead, quit beating it”-Hey, maybe you should stop riding it, then…

Complacency, denial, attacking real solutions is lazy and accomplishes Nada…

So, Cheney believes that human activity’s impact on climate change is negligible?

Well, who is surprised? Doesn’t he also think that an abortion is a premeditated murder? that one chooses to be homosexual? that God created the universe 4,000 years ago (or was it 6,000?)? that the 9/11 pulverization of 3 World Trade Center buildings was masterminded by a hermit in an Afghan cave and carried out by a handful of high school dropouts armed with box cutters? that Saddam was about to raise a mushroom cloud in the continental US?

Ask him about Pinocchio…of course he really existed…and his nose did grow with each lie…his story proves that Cheney is never lying…

Bon Jovi and Sambora’s overuse of hairspray caused global warming. Discuss.

Or, how Bon Jovi is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the rock industry……………

Same for me and my agency … NarcAnon (joking)

It HAS been fun. I am a music fan, first and foremost. Wanna debate how much the Eagles suck?

By the way these were my opinions only and not in any way as a spokesperson for my agency.

This HAS been fun, though, hasn’t it? In a ‘bizarro’ kind of way.

Warmed: I wasn’t referring to you. What were you saying about egotistical?.

Again, good stuff ‘Bro’. I don’t recall blaming the whole climate change on Bush. Keep throwing darts at the messengers. The denial is just getting comical though. Evidence comes out that the administration edited the climate reports, meaning that they changed the facts. Evidence comes out that the administration edited national security reports, changing the facts. But, yet, some people think they it’s not possible. Don’t stop believing ‘bro’. Just remember this: While climate change is real, and human’s effect on that change is real, we may NEVER know the result. We all may be gone. But, the truth is this: This administration has done everything single thing in its’ power to make sure nothing is done in america to control emissions. Wouldn’t you consider their efforts to clamp down on the GW theory ‘micromanagement’?? Keep denying. Keep burning. It doesn’t really matter, because egotistical, selfish bastards like yourself will be gone before the fires, famine, drought, hurricanes, volcano eruptions cause the next ice age. Good stuff Bizarro. Keep calling me the idiot. I love it. Here’s one for you: Helmet

I get it, bro … you’re from the 1960’s and came in a time machine (invented by Al Gore) to save us.

Anyone believing that the federal government (regardless of who’s running it) which is still unable to even issue passports in a timely manner is somehow the key to our planet’s salvation clearly has an ideology AND an IQ firmly stuck in the 60’s.

I can appreciate that you may want or even NEED your life micromanaged my some half assed bureaucrat in DC. However, most of us neither need it nor desire it.

Bizarro alright. Let’s see if I get this straight. The whole point of this article was to inform people of the lengths this administration will go to refute global warming. I let it be known that I don’t necessarily trust the Christian Science Monitor’s stance on the issue because I think they’re too in line with the Bush Administration, and I get villified for it. Name-calling starts bouncing off of me. Hmmm. Good stuff Bizarro World. Keep on throwing names around, see how far it get you. Meanwhile, I’ll believe ANYONE not associated with this administration that has lied, cheated, oppressed, and killed. Sincerely, Treehuggers.org.

Don’t confuse the oil industry with the people… unless you are merely dissembling of course. See, in europe, the people still get involved in government, they still demand better from their government, which is why they get laws that protect the people and actually make sense rather than laws that basically protect industry and gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want with PUBLIC resources, without having to even pay their due share of royalties.
You see, Industry, businesses will always try to get an unfair advantage, to squeeze another cent of profit, to ‘grow’ the company even thought it has already achieved monopoly status and has no viable competition. That is why we have laws and government, otherwise businesses would pay $.50/hr and would charge 100 times cost for theyr products (like the oil industry). In europe the politicians have not been so blatantly bought out as they have been in the states. Did anyone notice how the interior secretary, who helped Abramoff bilk people out of millions, only got 10 months for his part? Strange, a man who betrays the trust of the people, uses public office to make millions for himself and friends, uses the office to subvert justice only get’s 10 months, yet a teacher who doesn’t know how to stop a bunch of popups displaying on a public computer gets 40 years, yea… ‘liberty and justice for all(wealthy enough to afford the best liar…lawyer)’

” A big differnce between europe and america is that in europe they still recognize and value their link to their homeworld, in america that link or respect doesn’t exist. It has been sold out for corporate profits and ‘growing the economy’ at the cost of resources and treasury.”

Are European oil companies BP (UK), Total (France) and Shell (The Netherlands) not also out for corporate profits and ‘growing the … blah blah blah rhetoric cut and pasted from Treehugger.org?

Warmed/Mess ed Up - If the CSM reports you’re NOT an idiot, would you likewise dismiss that obvious fact because they have the word Christian in their title? Better avoid the YMCA.

Prove the CSM lied about the building of new coal in Europe instead of repeating “contrary evidence doesn’t count because I say so”. You are beyond juvenile.

Resorting to insults, again, won’t get me to believe the propoganda on the CSM. Period. You still haven’t given your thoughts Beth. You keep pointing to OTHER non-believers, and their takes. What is YOUR take? That way, we can start insulting you. How does that sound?? My take is pretty simple. Emissions kill. So, if we can eliminate them, why not? Yes, I feel the same way about cigarettes. I feel the same way about this Administration. It kills. Simple.

Hey Beth, did you happen to notice in that article whether or not the new plants have the carbon capture and emmissions reductions devices required in Europe? You know, the types of devices and methods required under the clean air act that cheney helped excempt american power plants from? A big differnce between europe and america is that in europe they still recognize and value their link to their homeworld, in america that link or respect doesn’t exist. It has been sold out for corporate profits and ‘growing the economy’ at the cost of resources and treasury.

Warmed up? More like fried. NPR routinely references the Christian Science Monitor articles. Google the damn newspaper, it’s hardly a Christian rag. It’s forte is International news.

By your own uncritically thought out logic, the Red Cross is not to be trusted as well since the “cross” is a Christian symbol.

The CSM source stated that European nations and others are, despite their cutting emissions rhetoric, building coal burning plants at a rapid rate. The fact I saw it linked to CSM hardly changes the FACT that the EU hardly appears to be taking Kyoto or gw seriously.

Try and avoid knee jerk reactions every time you post. You come off like an automaton or a preachy evangelical Christian.

Is your faith in gw so fragile that the mere hint of doubters throws you into such hissy fits to silence the heathen?

Beth, sorry to say that I hope you’re old and don’t have to worry about the damage to the earth that’s going to happen during this century. Also, you’ve lost this debate. Let’s move on. Maybe, just maybe, have a thought for yourself, instead of quoting from the christian science monitor. Don’t those three words combined raise some sort of red flag? Christian? Monitor? Hmmmm

talk about some stupid debate… anything with a brain understands that if you cut down the forests and are down to about 5% of the original land cover of the planet, keep pumping poisons into the waters such that fish stocks are decimated, keep pumping toxins into the air at such a rate that it changes the chemical composition of the atmosphere, keep killing all the natural native species of the planet and avoid doing anything to reverse the process for the sake of profit… then there definately will be an effect. For every action there is an opposite reaction.
It is an insane debate, rather like a person who smokes 3 packs of smokes a day, only eats processed foods full of msg and preservatives, drinks only alcohol or sodas and does absolutely no excercise then blames the environment for his ill health. So human beings dump their ill will on the planet without any regard for themselves or any of the other inhabitants. The planet is a living being, just like any of the other living beings on this world. When any living being’s toxin extraction systems are overwhelmed, the organism is poisoned and dies, in some cases slowly and debilitating, in others quickly and violently.
Would you rather change your bad habits or continue the path and await your death, hoping for the better of slow and debilitating or quick and violent.
It is now evident that the administration and it’s links in the energy production industries have worked hand in hand to dissemble the science of Climate Change. The debate should not be about whether the climate is changing or not… that is evident in the reduction of glacial ice that functions as the earth AC system; the debate should be about how we will deal with the changes and try to reverse or mitigate them… or do we start getting ready for the anarchy that will ensue when famine, drough, floods and disease are brought to bear on the ‘advanced intelligence’ that is killing it’s home world.

I am much more upset with the Bush-Cheney environmental record than their misguided war in Iraq. President Bush claims to revere God but his policies massacre God’s creation and creatures with the utmost irreverence.

Ah, a personal insult and some nonsensical wordplay.

That’s AGW refuted, then.

AB: 99% of scientists agree that you don’t know what you’re talking about and agree that you’re statistically illiterate.

If you had herpes and the warts increased by 30%, you wouldn’t see much play. This sexual energy has nowhere to go. Therefore our atmosphere is hotting up.

Yes, it all makes perfect sense.

Hey C Co, I hope you’re not pointing that finger at me? I haven’t been bashing neo-cons, I’ve been bashing GW deniers. And I’m not sure I follow you, if you agree that GW is human-caused, then the doubters CAN’T have ‘legit cases based on science’. And 99% of scientists agree with us, not them. Or alternatively, are you accusing me of being ignorant of the science? Well, I hope not. Here, I’ve just spent a few moments trying to put my scientific understanding of GW into as few words as possible:

CO2 levels have risen by over 30%. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. This means that it is trapping more energy. This energy has nowhere to go. Therefore our atmosphere is hotting up.

Thirty two words, what do you think?

And Beth:
‘gw (should it be capitalized GW as in Jesus or God?)’ : no, it should be capitalized as in WMD.
How many British scientists agree with your poll?
You said “the sky is falling”. You lose a whole heap of credibility points.

Every natural disaster that occurs because of hundreds of years of bad planning is clearly George Bush’s fault. Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans a city built below sea level clearly George Bush’s fault. Dumb bastards who built their homes on the flood plains of the mississippi that were flooded in 1993 during a hundred year storm, clearly george bushes fault. Oh thats right he was not president or even govenor then. Yet it is still his fault. Guess what we as humans live on a DYNAMIC planet which has been in flux from the start and sometimes it just hits the fan.

While the rest of y’all argue about IF the climate is rapidly changing and WHERE to place the blame, we’ll be over here building our fort and learning how to harness the sun’s power and other survival skills. Either way, there are no bugs here in Dallas. Literally. Standing water everywhere - not a mosquito in sight. Bees? Wasps? Hornets? What are they? Probably nothing at all to worry about…

Beth, I’m one of those who decry terrorism and believe in ‘the sky is falling’. Seems to me, that throughout history, RECORDED history, the only time there’s been extinctions, was due to global climate change. Terrorism has yet to do that. Now, do you see the skepticism? You’re betting on something that’s NEVER happened. We’re BANKING on something happening again. It seems a much safer bet to take a chance, and clean up the world, than to spend a bunch of money, turn a bunch of countries into failed states, and relive fascism. But, then again, I’m just an idiot gambling man. What the hell do I know?
Here’s to the far-right continuing to scream about taxes, while paying out the ass for gas. See the irony????

“Hyperbole doesn’t suit skeptics”

True enough, but hyperbole sure seems to suit zealots.

While I find some polls methodology to be suspect. I find the results that show 75% believe gw (should it be capitalized GW as in Jesus or God?)is naturally occuring and that a majority also believes catastrophic predictions are far fetched to be well within the realm of statistical probability. I don’t think AGW falls anywhere within that range.

Therefore, it’s easier to accept at face value the results of a mere poll than it is to accept the belief that “the sky is falling”.

The same poll shows 71% of people feel that humans have nothing to do with the recent change in our climate.

What were you saying about an overwhelming consensus?

Based on the evidence (ie, apparently) I’m not the only one who remains skeptical of politicians’, bureacratic meddlers’ and bought and paid for scientists’ plans to micromanage our lives in a well intentioned but misguided attempt to save us from what is simply another manufactured crisis.

Funny how some who decry the scare tactics of the war on terror and are rightly skeptical of that are all to willing to fall for the other side’s scare tactic.

I dunno, maybe you’re just a partisan Democrat and you HAVE to believe in gw. That’d explain a lot.

Beth, you’re you’re such a well-accredited skeptic, what’s with the ‘apparently’ all of a sudden? So you happily believe posters at face value when they support your position, hmm?
And 35% does not equal no-one. Hyperbole doesn’t suit skeptics.

“Believe me, people are NOT listening to the people who deny GW anymore.”

“65 percent think that scientists’ catastrophic predictions if pollution isn’t curbed are ‘far fetched”

Apparently no one, in the UK at least, is listening to GW BELIEVERS either … or, to be precise, not taking them very seriously.

How can Rolling Stome blame this, too, on Bush?

From the UK:
Three Quarters Believe Global Warming A ‘Natural Occurrence’

And 65 percent think that scientists’ catastrophic predictions if pollution isn’t curbed are ‘far fetched’.

It’d be nice if you stopped and thought for a minute also, Betty. I don’t recall any of those reputable scientists blaming global warming on Bush, but then again, being defensive is about the same as denial. Global Warming is real. Global Cooling is real. Not doing anything about what humans are doing to accellerate it is the problem here. Believe me, people are NOT listening to the people who deny GW anymore. We, fortunately, are beyond that. So, either get on board, or save your opinions for your own little “Bush is great” cult. Also, I didn’t hear you deny that CSM is in Bush’s pockets…………

Stellar logic, AB. If you are seriously advocating determining science by rank, I’d say the office of US President trumps career academecians who tend to be better bureaucrats than scientists.

Try harder. Love the debate but please … think before you post.

“Are we now to determine the truth by “rank” or would you prefer a vote?”

Yes, Beth, in this instance I think I might go on rank. For some reason I think that all of the science institutions in all of the world DO outrank you and Willie.

But FYI, in case you think I’m not being entirely serious, the only scientific ranking system that actually counts is called peer review. And of course you lose again, massively.

So, verifiable facts in a reputable newspaper about increased coal use in other countries are to be waived off as some kind of “spin” because of some assumed link with Bush? I’d ask for proof of this link but your standards of proof appear to be rather low.

I realize other countries’ increased use of coal ruins the evil Bush against the saintly rest of the world many of you believe in but it sure seems like most of the developed world, not just Chimpy McHitler is ignoring Kyoto, GW .. the works.

Love the inference that only scientists who have accepted the one true faith (Bush caused global warming) into their hearts can be non-biased.

I’ll save “Warmed Up” the trouble of posting a rebuttal. It’ll go something like this: Your evidence doesn’t count because I said so.

What does Rolling Stone advocate to punish Bush and other “deniers”, perhaps a GW Inquisition coming soon to EVERY town? Deny and Die!

I have zero doubts that the next President, regardless of party affiliation, won’t be telling the car/truck manufacturers and their labor unions that their livelihood must be sacrificed for the greater good. I doubt he’ll tell the American public to just suck up the increased energy costs and pray Al Gore is right.

Who seriously expects that suddenly the inert, inept bloated bureaucratic monstrosity that is the Federal government (which seems unable to handle even issuing passports)is poised to fix global warming once and for all, if only Bush would get out of the way?

I’m not Republican but Rolling Stone’s politics are so transparently black and white that it seems almost a Democratic Party newsletter parody written by equally hysterical Republicans.

I expect to see only enviro-friendly ads in Rolling Stone from now on. No more car ads, travel ads, … well, you folks know what needs to be banned better than I.

And your rag calls Pete Doherty crazy?

Beth………..”The Christian Science Monitor”????? Yeah, and they’re not AT ALL connected to the Bush Administration. Yeah, and Oj didn’t slice a couple of heads off. Although you may be correct in quoting the scientist, that doesn’t mean he’s not being edited or even paid. Please, please, start believing people who KNOW what they’re talking about. Not saying Gore, or Moore or even Limbpuke, but reputable, non-biased scientists. Unfortunatey, the Bush tentacles have stretched pretty far and it’s beginning to be a bit difficult to figure out who to believe. That’s the whole point of this article. To show what lengths the administration will go to deny GW.

Thanks for the support Alien Billie. I get that a lot from about half the people I talk with about GW these days.

I long for the days when everybody loved the weatherman. Those days are gone.

Also, I do want to say that we should do what we can to slow down GW. My next car will be a hybrid. And my F-150 does take ethanol if I could only get it in this state.

“Do you think that they out-rank your William Gray, maybe?”

Um, no.

Are we now to determine the truth by “rank” or would you prefer a vote?

Beth, you’re at 91 degrees with a few clouds and it’s quite windy. You’ll only drop down to 72 tonight.

You’ve missed my point. Meteorologists are not dependant on global warming science hoopla at all. Climatologists could be argued to have a stake in the research moneys, true. But as a met since 1989, I’ve studied all the papers and seen the data first hand as I look at this stuff on a daily basis. In my mind, GW is happening and it’s accelerating. CO2 and methane absorb more energy than they reflect. And there is more of those two gasses now than there was in 1900. It’s true that water vapor is also a greenhouse gas but humans aren’t producing additional water vapor, directly. But indirectly you could say we are because as the tmeperatures warm, the atmosphere can hold more water vapor and this becomes a bit a feedback loop.

I know Dr. Gray well and he is one of the very few standouts as well as Dr. Landsea from NOAA but the overwhelming majority of my collegues see a hurricane activity link since the science is basic; the warmer the ocean, the more likely for intense and more frequent tropical systems.

Your understanding of fluorocarbons is wrong. Fluorocarbons resulted in a break down of O3 or ozone in the stratosphere. Since the ozone in the stratosphere absorbs UV rays, it converts that energy into heat. Thus this is why as the temperature falls as you go higher in altitude it rises when you reach the stratosphere where it gets warmer. Without the ozone in the stratosphere, the UV rays would cause great deal of harm to life on Earth as well as allow storms to grow to enoromous heights. The anvil you see on the top of thunderstorms is where this warming begins and the atmosphere becomes stable at this layer. The Ozone problems was/is completely unrelated to GW.

I am saying, us meteorologists have greater job security because as the earth warms there is more energy for storms to feed on. I have seen more severe weather in this decade than in the last 18 years and also have been working more overtime.

It’s also strange that we’ve had 2 tropical systems in the south Atlantic in the last few years. They are not supposed to form there. They have never been observed until this decade. And Brazil had it’s very first hurricane landfall back in 2004 in the history of its country.

I’m telling you the weather is getting wacky. And I’m preparing myself. I’ve been studying weather since I was 8 (35 years). As the ice melts at the poles, the total refectivity of the Earth will fall since ice reflects 90% infrared and open ocean absorbs 90% infrared. This is a feedback loop.

I honestly believe we’ve reached the tipping point and will have to ride out the storm. As more permafrost melts, it will decay and release even more CO2 and methane into the atmosphere, another feedback loop. It is now a run-away train and we can’t stop it until the Earth finally finds a balance where we get more cloud cover, changes in the ocean currents or until the next asteroid strike which will abruptly bring about the next great Ice Age.

Sorry, it’s too late to do anything, so I’ll still be driving my F-150.

But I really think our government should just go ahead and acknowlege GW and prepare for some quick climate shifts. Also I find it amazing that my studies have become politicized. I see way to many political pundits talking about GW as if they knew what they were talking about. Let me tell you the poilitical people on both sides don’t understand it at all.

But unfortunatley, most people are listening to Rush or Gore and not actually listening to the actual scientists.

Well Beth, here’s some non-GW deniers for you:

“human activities are a major contributor to climate change.”
The U. S. National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the U.S. Climate Change Science Program, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

“Most of the warming can be attributed to human activities”
The national science academies of the G8 nations and Brazil, China and India.

Do you think that they out-rank your William Gray, maybe?

And your attempted put-down of Jack was both mean-spirited and moronic.

Weather Man Jack has solved GW. We simply re-introduce fluorocarbons and the resultant cooling ends GW.

What kind of meteorologist has their job security dependent on global warming? Most likely one who has a financial stake in hyping GW.

You can’t know much about hurricane frequency and GW since hurricane forecaster William Gray and other tropical cyclone experts state flatly that there is none. In fact, Dr. Gray is a total GW skeptic.

Before you toss it to Champ Kind with today’s Sports, how’s the weather in Sioux Falls, today?

“in the 70s the earth was hurtling toward the next ice age, in the 80s flourocarbons (remember those?)”

Yeah I remember those. We fixed the problem by banning flourocarbons.

As a meteorologist, I’m amazed at how much the public is so confused. But I can see why, when my climatologist collegues are having their research papers edited by non-scientist political appointees. It’s been very frustrating.

Fact is, you are breathing 30% more CO2 then your great grand daddy. And yes we’re heading for another record breaking warm year and yes 95% of observation sites across the world will see above average temperatures for 2007.

Good Luck this hurricane season. All the job security for me. So let’s keep burning all the oil that’s been stored under ground for millions of years.

I realize you may being paid piecework per Bush slam but here is who else is really denying global warming.

According to an article in the Christian Science Monitor:
With natural gas prices expected to continue rising, 58 other nations have 340 new coal-fired plants in various stages of development. They are expected to go online in a decade or so. Malaysia, Japan, Indonesia, Thailand, and Turkey are all planning significant new coal-fired power additions. Germany also plans to build eight coal plants with 6,000 megawatts capacity.

A more recent article reports that Germany—yes, oh-so-green, bullish-on-Kyoto Germany—is planning to build 26 new coal-fired power plants.

And now comes a report that demand for thermal coal in Russia is expected to triple by 2020, with coal-based generation doubling its share of Russian power production from about 20 percent to 38-40 percent.

More fun to blame Bush for “denying” global warming, I realize, as well as bad seasons by the White Sox, Yankees, Cardinals than to do some actual fact checking and realize it’s worldwide. Can I blame Bush for causing widespread shoddy journalism or chalk it up to over hyped partisan hate?

And here I thought Rolling Stone was the tie-dyed, peace, love, dope music magazine.

The times they are a changin’.

Do you smell that?

I believe that’s the familiar scent of Neo-Cons sewing the seeds of doubt with their bullshit(again). “It’s not global warming we have to worry about it’s ‘global cooling.’” Beware of these liars who just hours ago were still arguing that climate change of any kind was pure science fiction!

The bottom line is that life on Earth exists thanks to “Goldilocks” like conditions that require a significant number of variables (temperature, oxygen and CO2 levels, etc.) to be “just right.” Humans, began tinkering with this balance in a major way when we adopted fossil-fuel burning technologies, and all of the peer-reviewed science out there points unequivocally to the fact that our ever-increasing use of these technologies has changed (and is continuing to change) the make-up of our “just right” planet. Barring immediate action, Earth will become increasingly less “human friendly” (particularly for those of use accustomed to climate-controlled living where we seldom experience temperature variations beyond the range of 66-70 degrees Fahrenheit).

Ignore the ignoramuses. Read Gore, read Lovelock, read peer-reviewed reports. And lets stick it to these bastards in 2008! (I for one won’t be able to look my grandchildren in the eye if I sit by and let these guys take our planet to the crematorium.)

TwistD says: “What I hate is how the media (Yes, that means you Rolling Stone) gets the masses all worked up over something that takes the leaders in the fields their lifetimes to just grasp, and you try to make experts out of ‘The People who have a right to know’ in 300 words or less.”

It is because the leaders in the field of climate change have grasped the enormity of this problem that we the people should be concerned by this administration’s willful opposition to taking some sort of action to mitigate the worst effects of climate change, while we still can.

I am sure the state of denial is a nice, comfortable place to live. It certainly seems to have a lot of residents from the conservative side of the climate change issue (since when did conservatives become scientifically illiterate?). But global COOLING isn’t a state of reality that you can create just by wishing it were so.

Are humans responsible? The majority of world scientists concur humans are responsible. But more importantly, whether you want to believe it to be otherwise, do we want to gamble on the future of our children, and generations that follow? Is that a risk you are willing to take?

We are stewards of this planet. The onus of responsibility rests in our “human” hands. Although corporations are a major contributor of pollution it is people who make decisions and run businesses. We, the people, ultimately are accountable for life on this planet. We bear responsibility.

Even if humans weren’t to blame, by doing something we would at least have cleaner water and air. Isn’t that a fair exchange in the long-run? These are long-term not short term effects. Sure profits might be a little less for a few years, but is that too high a price to pay for what we gain in the long run: a healthier quality of life and simultaneously head-off the ravages of climate change. It is a win-win situation.

There is a limit as to how much the earth, the air and water can be saturated with toxic waste and poisons. Apparently the saturation point has been reached. The effects will only worsen.

Are you willing to gamble on the future? Time is running out. If we heed the warnings no one loses. If we don’t … well, the future is in our hands.

I bet bush wins!!

Word | 6/23/2007, 3:50 am EST

“Those who believe the globe will cool=con.”

So glad we live in a black and white world where people can be labeled so easily. I think Hitler already showed us that there was a problem with blantly labeling people. Look, there are lots of intelligent people who have opinions all over the board. I’d say that being closed-minded might be the worst form of ignorance (that would be directed at you).

P.S. Scientific American holds the stance that global cooling is the biggest climate threat. Please tell me that they are ignorant conservatives. What’s fucking insane about your assesment is that you don’t even know why there would be global cooling instead of global warming. The two are closely linked and deal with the same factors. Oil companies and super right-wingers don’t claim global cooling is taking place, they say there is no climate change taking place at all. For fucks sake, learn what you’re talking about before calling a bunch of people stupid.

When will you people wake up? Every scientific academy in the world agrees with man made climate chnage science - including Nasa, American Academy of Science, harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge. When will you fools wake up? Do you not care about your kids?

“man”, if you’re giving up you should roll over on your front, not your back. A jar of K-Y would make it much easier on you also… just trying to help. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times… WE’RE JUST TRYING TO DELAY THE NEXT ICE AGE!!! YOU CAN THANK US LATER!!!

All you need to do is connect the dots to know.
Look at the facts that are proven and look at how the times have changed after the industrial revolution.
Look at all the cars that litter the earth.
Look at all the factories coughing up pollution for us greedy humans.
Humans intensify things too much.

Oh boy, this is embarrassing- Kilimanjaro’s ice disappearance is not caused by global warming. Kind of shoots a pretty big hole in your theory, doesnt it Al Gore? I mean, since that was a pretty central point to your whole global warming arguement. Wow- sucks to be you. People are catching on to your crap. How will you make a living now? Suicide is always an option. You dumb fuck.

Good presentation. ive never understood why Rebublicans other than Nixon and T. Roosevelt are anti enviroment. True the oil lobby is part of the problem. Someday they and whoevers left will suffer because of their neglect.

its incredibly arrogant for man to think that he is not only the cause of, but the solution to, all of earths problems…while there does seem to be some sort of warming going on, there is no scientific consensus as to whats causing it, or that man can even fix it

this by no means entails that we should pollute the earth, but at the same time, i take this hysteria over global warming with a grain of salt…in the 70s the earth was hurtling toward the next ice age, in the 80s flourocarbons (remember those?) were threatening to burn the atmosphere off the planet, with that huge hole over antarctica that gets no press anymore

and lastly, the US isnt the problem, its the major pollution producers of china, india, mexico, and the list goes on–the countries who either have the capacity to clean up and wont to keep up economic mobility (China), or simply cant because the dont have the infrastructure (i.e. India, mexico, etc)

Neo-cons: when 90% of the scientific community agrees that something is happening and you deny it (or imply that there is a “debate” going on, or that this driven by someone with an anti-Hummer agenda), don’t you have a dega vu moment? Something about the earth being flat. I’m certain you can find people to debate that as well.

TwistD “Fact is, we cannot measure our impact on this Earth.” Wake up dude. Have you ever heard of ice cores? They measure just about anything atmospheric. “And for those who actually read this…CO2 constitutes less than 12% of Greenhouse effects.” Dude, did you get that from Fox News???
Propoganda is a dangerous thing. The only reason the whole country isn’t in full agreement with our effect on the climate change is from the propoganda coming from the right, or white house. What I DON’T hear from the noisy deniers is WHY the global warming would be fraudulent propoganda. What’s SO WRONG with trying to cut emissions? I’m not hearing anything about that. The only response from the deniers is that it’s a scare tactic. What the hell do you think the war on terrorism is?? THAT is a definite scare tactic. By the way, the polar ice caps have NEVER fully melted. So, when that happens will the noisy deniers finally agree? Again, what’s so wrong with cutting emissions. What’s the worst that could happen? We replace the oil industry with solar industry. Sounds like a win-win to me. But, then again, I’m one of those wacky leftists, right?

Those who believe the globe will cool=con.

Those who believe the globe will warm= intelligent.

Apparently you’re either con or you’re intelligent. Gee. Wonder what the nation that watched “America’s Got Talent” above anything else will do? Be intelligent? That’s the best joke of the 21st century.

The cooling thing is either big oil propaganda or a result of the pollution we are steadily pumping into the atmosphere. My money would be on the former but who am I? Just a guy who predicted that global climate change was real…that the Iraq war was a horrible idea…etc…

Why listen to a wise man? It’s much more fun to delude yourselves. Right cons?

i get incredibly annoyed when i hear people saying that ‘theres no proof of climate change’ or ‘its not us humans’ fault’. look around guys. can you see any other species of animals or anything else for that matter that’s wrecking the world as expertly as we are? the world is changing and not for the better.

and when people say that there is no point in fighting global warming then they are just as useless as those who say it doesnt exist. maybe George Bush could say terrorism doesnt exist. then he wouldn’t have to worry about his country being bombed. that would save america a fair bit of money. but it wouldn’t actually help the situation.

maybe i’m just a kid so i ‘don’t know anything’ but they do teach you some stuff in school. ride a bike to work when it’s sunny and catch a train when it’s not… its not that hard to lessen your impact on the world. it’ll save you on fuel money anyway. i know i don’t want to grow up in a world any more destroyed than this one already has been.

Ya know how we have this cool thing called separation of church and state, we should have separation of science and state too, because they don’t mix either. Suddenly the government and law makers think their experts on Climate. While I see the “Well it can’t hurt to cut X and Y”, there is one truth that we can’t escape. Nature will do what it wants, when it wants. And the moment we try to control temperatures, warming OR cooling, we’ll get burned. The ultimate human resource is adaptability, and the next ice age is coming. It’s pretty evident from the studies done on the Milankovitch Cycles (PLEASE GOOGLE). What no scientist can say is that we, as a species, are directly responsible. So until someone creates an Alternate Earth under controlled conditions, we’ll never know, nor be able to prove. What I hate is how the media (Yes, that means you Rolling Stone) gets the masses all worked up over something that takes the leaders in the fields their lifetimes to just grasp, and you try to make experts out of “The People who have a right to know” in 300 words or less.

Fact is, we cannot measure our impact on this Earth. All we can do is try and survive. For billions of years the earth has been tossed in and out of balance (for whatever reasons), but it always try to return to an equalibrium. And thats all we can do.

And for those who actually read this…CO2 constitutes less than 12% of Greenhouse effects…..making greater than 80% of the greenhouse effect due to water vapor…Think about it…

Daily, it seems, more and more scientists are backing away from their positions on “Global Warming.” In the 70’s, we were worried about COOLING. Now, it’s WARMING. According to a new study, we’ll be COOLING by 2020.

Studies have also been done to show that, while man isn’t exactly helping the “global warming” situation, the amount of man’s activity that actually contributes to it is so small, that no change in our behaviors and policies will make any impact whatsoever. It’s a political issue that politicians bring up for power and votes.

Hats off to Bush for not acting like a Chicken Little.

If the democrats were actively denying, they would get the rap from Tim Dickinson. But… it just so happens that Mr. Bush is President of the United States of America.

Global warming? I supposed next some “tax and spend anti-family values” liberal will tell us cigarette smoking is dangerous. Come on. Put some Exxon in your tank, light a smoke and live in the nation that is a “City on Hill.” That’s what the Gipper – Ronald Reggae- would tell us- and we KNOW he told the truth.

Huh, global warming, I just read a scientific report that states around 2020, scientists predict we will enter “dangerous global cooling”! It’s about cycles people; if liberals or any government figure is pushing anything it’s because it opens up doors for new taxes and penalties. China, now the largest abuser of emissions into the atmosphere is not about to stop producing and you don’t here any talk of slowing them down!!

Global warming is cool.

Wolf! Wolf!

The Sky Is Falling!

Where the hell is the slide show??

“Reputable atmospheric scientists Also deny global warming” bought and paid for by Exxon-Mobile, Shell…
The oil companies are Exposed-get real, “Sigh”, Yawn, Stretch(just like you do with the truth)…

Eventually all the Einsteins will figure it out-thier sad little money won’t be much good on a gross polluted planet…

Climate Change..ZZZZZZZZZ

You promised us Taibbi today

I wonder what Tim Dickinson feels about the RFK Jr. “Green Greed is Good” fatuous love song to “the Market” that comes after his excellent piece. Let me see if I get this right: the very supersystem that produced a planet on the verge of ecocide; terrible and growing economic inequality; a defunct and corrupt institution at every corner of our lives, from courts to academia to health care to politics; and what RFK Jr. burbles from his Heritage Foudation redoubt is we need more of it? We are at the brinks of catastrophes aplenty, and what RFK and the egregrious Amory Lovins say is we need more of what we’ve been doing - unregulated corporate capitalism to the rescue? Is there not the slightest sense of shame in these rich Americans? The bilge quotient in RFK Jr.’s piece about the glories of our “extraordinary entrepreneurial” nation would drown all the hogs in Smithfield and Hormel lots.

Bush raised gas prices 2 bucks in less than 4 years. Price has been hovering around 3 bucks for a few years now. When he took office, average national price of gas was $1.11. Everything Bush does revolves around oil, and it’s always been that way. Oil is what drives up every other market. Price of gas goes up, then everything else goes up. Bush and his oil cronies have made so much money during his tenure. And, it’s been deliberate. They’ve done everything they can to delay the inevitable, which is the separation of our nation from the use of oil. 500+ billion and counting in Iraq. How far do you think that much money could’ve gone to an energy changeover? He, actually, even loosened the restrictions on the auto industry’s fuel standards. In fact, what HAS he spent in our own country. Next to nothing has been done about Katrina or the borders. THE DUDE EVEN TRIED TO SELL OUR PORTS TO THE UAE FOR CHRIST’S SAKE!!!!!

i suppose we should just role over on our backs huh?…. giving up is a simple solution

Reputable atmospheric scientists ALSO
“deny” global warming. Bush is a lame duck. Let it go.

Do you believe Democratic Senators from the automobile manufacturing states would vote to shut down production in their states?

The horse is dead, quit beating it.