Does anyone take an extremist like Kos seriously? The guy is a walking joke.

Ned Lamont…what a fucking joke…are you kidding me? what democrat wins the primary, then loses the election to the guy he beats in the primary? sounds to me like a whole lot of people have their collective heads up their asses. Oh that’s right Connecticut isn’t exactly known for intelligence. Maybe that’s why Yale was built there.
Go Crimson. Screw Bush.

The only reason Lamont lost was because the same carville crew – Obama, Bill clinton, etc.. refused to campaign for him. Carville is clearly worried and knows that most progressive people think hillary is a female John McCain.

Correct me IF I am wrong but the democratIC party picked up seats in the senate, congress, governorships and state houses.

By any criteria something right happened.

Clinton only won in 92 because he is the most gifted politician of the last 35 years and because Ross Perot took a huge chunk of the conservative leaning middle. (Plus Bush senior looked at his watch.).

Rather than work together the clintonistas are trying to have it all their way. Unfortunately for the clinton’s the far left are not as stupid as the far right.

Two words: Jim Webb
Oh, here’s two more: John Tester
Wait, wait, how about: Sestak, Murphy.

Here’s some more words for Tim:

Paul Hodes (New Hampshire): 53 percent
– Jerry McNerney (California): 53 percent
– Patrick Murphy (Pennsylvania): 50 percent
– Joseph Sestak Jr. (Pennsylvania): 56 percent
– Tim Walz (Minnesota): 53 percent

wow, are you serious? what about jim webb? or jon tester? or the numnerous house winners that kos supported when NO DSCC type was?

dude, that is a REALLY stupid statement. lamont won the DEMPCRATIC primary and then got sand-bagged by shumer, et al when it came to money and apperances. liberman won cuz he had a TON of repubs vote for him. blame the washington dems for lamont’s loss, not kos. jesus, even a cursory glance at the facts should’ve told ya that…

Boyda – Kansas
Yarmuth – kentucky

Shea-porter…

how ’s that 3 million for tammy duckworth working for ya?

Lamont and Murtha helped dems win more seats than carville.

it got the country focused on the IRaq war and how wrong it was.

Many people take Kos seriously because he’s out there changing the discourse. Carville is a traitor to the party and wants Democratics to continue to be afraid of their own shdows. Net roots show that Democrats can be diverse in ideology, but must be united in thier desire to speak truth to power.

rahm and carville recruited a guy in Michigan named Jim Marcinkowski. rahm then forgot he existed. We could have had another pickup if rahm wouldn’t have sunk so much money into his pet candidate in IL, Duckworth. I’m sure there are other examples of the “genius” rahm at work. carville is just the face for rahm. The fifty state strategy is the future of the Democratic party.

Ned Lamont lost because he was viewed as a progressive. The DEMS won; not the progressives. The good folks of CT had time to reconsider, that’s all that happened.

Hahaha… the funny thing is that I’d take Kos in that war. Carville even bringing up the possibility of ditching Dean smacks of more of the insider D.C. crap that makes most of the Dem base sick. I mean I just want to vomit on that slick bald head of his for saying that. Talk about out-of-touch. Dean won an election for DNC chair. State houses and governorships across the country have been won by Dems. Tell me one person who thinks that Dean wouldn’t be re-elected? The state parties love the guy! Carville are you kidding??? Tell me it’s a joke!

What democrat wins the primary, then loses the election to the guy he beats in the primary?

The Democrat that has to fight off ambivalence by the DLC, party bossism, and his opponent’s support by Karl Rove and the RNC, you dipshit.

Lamont lost because, between the Republicans and the independents, at least 65% of Con. voters didnt’ vote in the Dem primary. It was still the right decision to shove a foot up Lieberman’s ass.

Kos is right…Carville should go wax his Republican wife’s mustache cos Ford is a total douche.

In fact, I think we could do a lot of good for the party, the country…hell, the world, if we put Carville, Ford, Lieberman, and RS’s own Matt Taibbi on a Survivor-like TV show. Give ‘em an island and watch ‘em eat each other while arguing over whether Garth Brooks, Jimmy Buffet, Billy Joel, or John Mellancamp should write the theme song for the ‘08 election.

Kos is the man!!!! and so is Howard Dean!!! There is a disconnect between rank-and-file Democrats and the elite/DLC/inner-Beltway types, and I just hope the rank-and-file keep fighting for what they believe. The DLCers really blew it in 1994, 2000, 2002, & 2004 (in fact with the exception of Clinton’s two “victories” at a resounding 43% in 1992 and 49% in 1996 WHAT HAVE THEY WON????). This election was nearly as much a repudiation of Bush/Republicans/conservatives as it was the whole DC establishment. The Democratic insiders should be chastened by what happend in 2006, not running smack like Carville is. For a faction that has such a spotty record of winning you’d think they would be happy for change. I know what I voted for on Tuesday and it was NOT MORE OF THE SAME INSIDER BULLSH#%. If the DLCers are dropping the gauntlet, I’m READY TO FIGHT THEM!!!!

Carville had his chance every day for the last twelve years. But he was too busy subverting democratic (little d) process among Democratic Party rank-and-file members. Too busy self-promoting. Too busy pushing his crappy book.

Even the Repugs know he’s a tool; they tolerate him on television because he makes Dems look bad, not because he has any real gifts when it comes to organizing or leadership.

When it comes to Dean, he tried to undermine the will of the rank-and-file back in early 2005, asking “why didn’t somebody fix this” in reference to the election of the party chair. In his mind, the right thing was for a handful of candidates to be evaluated in a smoke-filled room behind closed doors, the winner of insider powergods’ nod to be presented to the party faithful for election to chair by acclaim.

F*ck that. And f*ck Carville. We, the people of the Democratic Party, elected the chair we chose. He’s done a fine job fulfilling his mandate of building the party. Carville needs to ask himself who the hell elected him to speak for us. I certainly didn’t, and I can’t think of a single party member who would have in 2005 or any time soon.

And I’ve got two words for Dickinson: Christine Cegelis.

Maybe if Rahm hadn’t forced Duckworth onto the people of Cegelis’ district, forcing out Cegelis in the primary by sheer dint of money, Cegelis might have won. Rahm did a Carville on the people of IL by undermining a popular candidate that had already done the legwork (but probably wouldn’t kiss Rahm’s *ss).

A Democrat centrist here. Read Kos and donated to ACT Blue For MeNerney, Patrick Murphy, Sestak, Webb and Tester. And Marcinkowski because the DCCC abandoned him. And contributed to Webb when in August he had $10,000 left in campaign money.

It feels great to be a winner. Thanks Kos.

It’s the people stupid. Carville has been sleeping with the republicans and Rahm is the next Delay. Also I found Ford almost as scary as the creep he was running against. No bible thumpers for me thanks!

Howard Dean won us back Congress with his 50 state strategy. Carville wants to replace him with the guy who lost his race, in part based upon concerns that he is just as corrupt as his corrupt political family. Is Carville a GOP operative?

The unloveable Markos — who’s no less arrogant, just less sleazy than Carville — is one of several who have provided venues for individual Dems of all shades of progressivism and centrism and given them a voice. For that he deserves a good deal of respect.

Dean listened and did one helluva good job organizing and implementing a state-by-state effort which has, most notably, strengthened Democrats’ hold on 52 individual states and given the Party a grip on the future well beyond two years’ control of Congress.

Whether you like them personally or not, the hosts of Daily Kos, MyDD and others worked hard to get many disaffected Dems involved, contribute to candidates’ war chests, and join volunteer efforts. Thanks to their success in bringing individual candidates to our attention, we found ourselves re-engaging, giving our time and contributions to individual candidates where nothing could have persuaded us to contribute to Emanual’s general fund.

That should tell Carville and Co. something about the way the wind is blowing.

For slippery lobbyists like Carville to think they can have any sort of party without including the cross-generational and cross-regional support, financial and otherwise, of millions of Dems — from center to left — who admire Dean’s work is, well, just plain blind. Blind as a Bush, you might say.

How can you claim to be a ‘national party’ and not have a 50 state operation?

If Carville thinks the Democratic party should be a regional party, then fine, let him make his case.

nuf said

It looks like the corporate Democratics are afraid of the power populist Democratics hold.

Man come on.

Both Dean and Kos can too easily be pegged as liberal extremists by the cons. You can’t have these guys out there as faces of the Democratic party and expect to win anything.

Absent a war mentality electorate, you need centrists. It’s been over five years since 9-11, people are ready to ditch war as a concern. This means they’re ready to embrace “compassionate conservatism” meaning minimum wage hikes, healthcare reform, social security payment increases, etc…

Anyone who thinks Kos is an extremist has not read his posts. The man is a centrist who wants his party back.

As a far left San Francisco progressive, I deeply appreciate the contribution he has made to our debate.

Carville represents the corporate controlled, Saife funded DLC, which is trying to make the Democratic Party a clone of the GOP…
Top-down, rigidly on message, lips firmly attached to corporate pr*cks… Dean represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, which used to build consensus from the ground up, and will again. Hilary’s primary run in 2008 will be the death knell for the DLC. They are drowning in the tides of history.

robin,
you are absolutely right. clinton and carville created each other. now they both drink from the same well. neither is about real change.

Maybe Kos is a centrist but after the Leiberman Lamont thing he’s perceived as a far leftist. Dean was always perceived as an angry liberal.

The Democratic Party needs to take a page from the Republican playbook and pay lip service to conservative “values.” Whether we believe that shit or not-the cons certainly don’t-we’re getting creamed by being seen as anti-family and anti-moral, not to mention weak.

The Dems need to talk strong and take the heartland back. It’s obscene that middle america is voting against its own economic interest. The reason is right wing media portryal of abortion, faith, and war strength. Pay lip service to anti-abortion and god and simply don’t pass legislation on it. Winking and nodding wins elections.

Lieberman would have lost if the Republicans had run a decent candidate. Joe won by using Republican money and Republican votes.

Rrowr: “In fact, I think we could do a lot of good for the party, the country…hell, the world, if we put Carville, Ford, Lieberman, and RS’s own Matt Taibbi on a Survivor-like TV show. Give ‘em an island and watch ‘em eat each other while arguing over whether Garth Brooks, Jimmy Buffet, Billy Joel, or John Mellancamp should write the theme song for the ‘08 election.”

I LIKE THAT IDEA! Think of the ratings! Actually, it would be even better if they made them have to be a team and then make Delay, Ney, Foley and Cunningham be the other team. Good ol’ accommodating Foley could give comfort to his team at night, even if they are kinda old for him— but hey, when you’re stuck on an island, what’re ya gonna do?

I agree with Cynthia: Ford was as scary as Corker. If the dems have to resort to quoting bible passages and reminding folks that they like pussy, then why bother calling themselves dems?

Priceless!! though I think you are wrong about Foley, he likes them young, he probably wouldn’t be interested in any of those old whores.

Carville made his bed, unfortunately, he has to lay in it with a Republican….

Leave Dean alone-he did a great job and We Won…

Don’t listen to the dippy network anchors like Scarbourough, Matthews(A real Republican Hack), Zahn, Blitzer, Carlson, Beck(Who claims to be neutral(Funny)and is as irritating as mascara on your contact lens…

The Democrats Won and the Republicans are as loopy and inept as ever…Only the “news” owned by Republican Interests is trying to give it the “Rightie” slant…

Get over it, “Whiners”! And, we Won by the majority of Votes…