Moral clarity? From the woman who all but blamed the Jews for the Holocaust during the Roberts confirmation hearings?

Nice one, Tim…this gets funnier every day!

umm…Pelosi never said that. That is a complete fabrication.

Also, as a Jewish person, even if she did (which she didn’t)i dont think you can equivocate offensive speech to our government torturing human beings.

Nancy Pelosi is a wholly owned subsidiary of AIPAC. She would put us in a war with Iran in a heartbeat given half a chance, and then after it became clear it was even worse than the one in Iraq, she would claim she was “tricked”, just like she did with Iraq. Any sort of noise she makes about being anti war or against any policy that makes the world safer for the Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is just that: noise.

She deserves to be dumped along with most of congress and replaced with someone who will ardently seek a two state solution for the Palestinians by putting all necessary pressure on the Israelis until they comply and capable of creating an intelligent and speedy end to the war in Iraq. She is just as guilty as any top member of the bush administration for putting us in this ridiculus situation,
and her objections to the torture bill are tepid and calculated.

J

“Pelosi never said that. That is a complete fabrication.”

I never said that she “said” that, I said that she implied that.

“i dont think you can equivocate offensive speech to our government torturing human beings”

I’m not. I’m just trying to point out that she has no moral authority. You should read the posts and think before you react.

I really don’t think it matters *how* you word your lies, they’re just as much lies either way.

it sickens me to see how words are twisted to divert from the real issue. how conjecture is accepted as fact and then disseminated by the ignorant puppets.

they should listen to their own old guard like arlen specter ‘this is un-american!’

I can’t watch Fox news without getting pissed. remember when news reporting was about gathering news and reporting it? now a days it’s about dissembling it. give it cute names like ‘no spin zone’. rather orwellian, don’t you think? Orwell must have had a crystal ball that looked into the future. Shure he exagerated it a bit, but he knew exactly what would happen. how words would be twisted.

They pissed clinton off and now they focus on the fact that he got pissed off rather than the content of his words. maybe because it’s inconvenient for their funders. Who owns that station anyways? why does the FCC allow this to happen? when did news become opinions and twisting the truth?

She seems smug for no real reason. Despite so much angry rhetoric, McCain has fought harder than any other Democrat (including her) against torture. That’s incredibly sad if you think about it: the only real, effictive opposition to Bush on this issue came from a REPUBLICAN. How does it feel to be the leader of an ineffictive party Nancy?

man, i love steven colbert, he just responded to propagandas post so clearly… if you are your own opposition (the repubican party) then the real opposition has no recourse but sit on the sidelines. or something to that effect. Man, the daily show and colbert report are the best and most straight shooting news broadcasts in america. sad statement on the ‘liberal media’

Ancon, I don’t lie.

Where is the torture bill that prohibits the torture I am forced to endure when having to look at Pelosi’s bad face lift?

Jokes aside, From here to November, and all during the lead up to 2008, all we are going to hear from either side is all BS Political Positioning.

So don’t kill each other over it and take it all with a grain of salt.

Lol. Good call Hallzee.

Hallzee – Very good point. Just imagine the torture we will have to endure if she becomes speaker of the house. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

Think, again, C-co-

“McCain has fought harder than any Democrat for that bill”

Then why, so few Republicans joined with the majority of Democrats to make sure it wouldn’t see the light of day-the Democrats were all against it and made it quite clear…

But it is always helpful to discuss Pelosi’s “plastic surgery” and really high impact subjects when our country is in dire straits…..(Hers looks o.k., if she had any).

But if you want to talk bad plastic surgery – don’t fail to mention Katherine Harris…..Is she still flying that broom over Florida?

The Democrats fought hard to nix the bill, the few Repubes who know what dangers and disgrace the bill will bring to our troops and our country, did not “stand firm” and, caved to their Party’s Drill”Cover thy leaders —–”….

Right Cake. All I said was that McCain fought harder than any liberal to eliminate torture; I didn’t say anything about the Republicans as a whole. My only point was that the strongest opposition to Bush on the issue was from a Republican. That, in essence is the problem with the Democrats: they’re all talk and no action. On an issue that they seemed to really care about, they were able to change nothing without McCain. It just speaks to the ineffectiveness of the party, and moreso, how they care more about insulting Bush than actually making changes. This is a microcosm of what they Democratic party has been the last 8 years.

By the way, I hate Katherine Harris. Excuse me for laughing at a joke, Cake. Don’t be so immersed in your ideology that you can’t make fun of a member of your party.

Hard on Bush,
Soft on Terrorists,
Democrats in 2006!

What’s wrong with torturing terrorists for information that may save thousands, if not millions of lives?

The Democrats are the terrorists best friends.

because it doesn’t get true intelligence, it forces the person, who may or may not know anything to say anything to stop the abuse. When the person is found to not have any intelligence or knowledge of what is being investigated, he is either murdered or released, often having to deal for the rest of their lives with the mental damage and perhaps phisical repercusions of their ordeal. If this person is so inclined, they are now your sworn enemy and will be willing to blow themselves up to avenge their treatment, after torture, living seems contrived.

And because that would use brutality against their enemies only need to redefine their compatriots to make them receipients of their tyranny.

Torture is wrong and those who use torture are evil!

“Nancy Pelosi is a wholly owned subsidiary of AIPAC”
Got news for you J. So is the entire House, Senate, and Executive for the last 30 years at least. I hate sounding anti-semitic (I’m actually not) but it always cracks me up when conservatives give me this “would you have the UN dictate American foreign policy” crap. Hell why not? Israel has been doing it for years. At least then we’d be on the side of popular opinion.

I agree the Dems are more concerned about protecting terriosts and there false religion.We all know who wins in the end when Christ returns.As far as Dems reaching out too People af faith I think is a joke.We all know that they depise the Bible ,and the Constitution and would like nothing more than to give the UN power over our Coubtry.Thank God for people of true faith/

OK, so I get the honor,

Kirk,
I’m left speechless by the total stupidity of your post. Really, why don’t you go post on “deluded christian right quarterly”. Don’t you idiots realize that Jesus was a LIBERAL?

Dumbass comment Hat. I hope you were joking.

What comment was that C Co? That Jesus was a liberal? Hmmm.. lessee, he hung out with criminals and prostitutes, spoke truth to power (the pharasees, fundamentalists of the day). The Roman power structure considered him a rabble-rouser. Advocated peace and tolerance. Sounds like a liberal to me.

Oh yeah, and he advocated helping the poor (over and over and over) while he never said ANYTHING about Homosexuality or Abortion.

TinFoilHat | 10/3/2006, 4:38 am EST

Oh yeah, and he advocated helping the poor (over and over and over) while he never said ANYTHING about Homosexuality or Abortion.
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He advocated charity, not goverment handouts. Send me the verses where he says the goverment should tax people to help the poor.

Pig, There you go again!!

How, in good conscience, can you take TFN’s comment that Christ advocated helping the poor, misrepresent it into your own meaning and then comment upon it. Your credibility is sinking fast.

I gotta give you that one. Far be it from Jesus to tell Caesar what to do, or to let Caesar tell him what to do. I believe my original point still stands though. Jesus was not just Liberal. He was a Radical Liberal and a heretic to the Pharisees. He was a man who looked at the world and saw a way to make changes for the better, changes that started with people’s attitudes about each other. That is the way to change the world. Not to go around telling people that they are WRONG, or BAD. The philosophy started with the assumption that We’re ALL BAD, so how do we make the best of it. That, my friend is what its all about. How does that apply to our current political situation? the interpretation is up to the individual. But as to how it applied to HIS political situation (Roman Occupation : Jewish Proxy Control): He was a LIBERAL.

I was half-kidding on the original post. But the other half of me is Dead serious. If there’s anything I’m sick and tired of hearing is religious-right crackpots claiming that GOD IS A REPUBLICAN. If they were Muslim, Sharia law would have them put to DEATH for assuming to know Allah’s mind.

“Capitalist Pig”

Check out Matt. 22:19-21
Jesus;
“Show me the coin used for the poll-tax”…And they brought Him a denarius.

And He ’said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?”.

They said to him, “Ceasar’s. Then He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s”.(Christ told his followers that Caesar should be given taxes and all rightful political obedience and, God should be given all worship, spiritual obedience, dedication, service and, dedication of one’s whole life.)

Hello!

Cake,

That was the icing. Magnificent and thank you.

Let Them Eat Cake,
Just simple question… Do you really believe that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God?