BREAKING: A Federal District Court has ruled that the Bush adminstration’s controversial NSA domestic wiretap operation is unconstitutional, orders immediate halt to program…
UPDATE: PDF of the opinion here.
8/17/06, 12:18 pm EST
Jack D | 8/17/2006, 5:30 pm EST
The question is, will they actually stop it. If they follow their long standing practices of “stay the course” I’m guessing it will continue. They will just be more careful and secretive. ITMFA
NB | 8/17/2006, 8:08 pm EST
The real question is, if he does not stop it, will people be paying enough attention that a successful impeachement movement could come to pass? With this decision, the legal grounding for prosecution against the continuation of such spying gives opponents the teeth needed to stop it. If Bush fails to accept the decision, his actions clearly put him at war with the Constitution and the nation’s values…
…then it’ll be time to sink those teeth in.
Capitalist Pig | 8/21/2006, 6:22 pm EST
No Jack the question is when will the left wing media quit calling it domestic wiretapping. The call had to begin or end in another country. No one was wiretapping calls that stayed in the U.S.
Jack D | 8/21/2006, 9:14 pm EST
Regardless, they should have warrants, period. Plus, you’re telling me that they are not going to tap into some other lines (domestic) to get some other kind of information. What if the Demos were doing this? Wouldn’t you want to know, being a republican, that they have to get a warrant to at least try to ensure they aren’t tapping into maybe a GOP line or some other agency to get info they can use in other avenues? And don’t tell me they don’t do it. It’s the government-politicians and intelligence-they do what they want, when they want. We just need to use that checks and balances thing to be used occasionally.
Capitalist Pig | 8/22/2006, 6:22 pm EST
Jack, if those tap into domestic phones and get information, say me and you make a small drug deal, it would be useless. It would not be admissable in court and would do them no good. In addition, they would not be able to use the information to justify a search warrant. I think that the left simply hates Bush and will do anything to bring him down, no matter how harmful to the country. That may not be how you personally feel, but I think most of the far left does feel that way.
Jack D | 8/23/2006, 4:43 pm EST
C Pig,
I would like to pose a rhetorical/hypothetical question. Is the current political environment strictly Far Right VS Far Left? It would certainly seem so after reading the many thoughts and opinions on here. Not thoughts and opinions about political issues, but, opinions about others affiliation. Other than my disdain for organized religion and the current administration, I don’t see myself as a Lefty, but, many on here do, including you. As well, I assumed you were a Righty, when in fact you describe yourself as a moderate. But, I digress.
The point is, why has this “All or Nothing” mentality occured? And, what is it going to do to the future political landscape? It can’t possibly be a positive outcome, can it?
Capitalist Pig | 8/26/2006, 9:43 pm EST
Jack D – Actually Jack it is the Far Left/Far Right which draw the most attention, but most Americans are moderates. In a recent poll 20% of Americans said they were liberal, 30% conservative, and 50% moderate. But the extremist make the most noise.
I see you as being left because you not only bash Bush but the Republican party, frequently. But if you are left, that is fine. I do not attack you personally, just your views (ok, I did call you an idiot a few times, but you had a few choice names for me too). That is what political debate is about. I do not consider myself moderate, I consider myself to be a classical conservative – “The goverment that governs the best governs the least”.
Is the all or nothing mentallity good? Perhaps not, but most of these extreme points of view do not make it into the legal code. Politics is all about compromise. What tends to happen in this country is one side pushes to hard and there is a backlash, and things go the other way, then that side goes to far, and then we swing the other way again.
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