James Earl Ray and John Wilkes Booth

Erik – I hope to see an answer to this somewhere: Your story references handwritten notes as well as an audio tape – did you actually bear witness to either? You are not clear on that in the story. I mean, if there is verifiable audio of Hunt implicating el BJ in the pick – that is serious stuff..

Okay,

What’s Cord Meyer got to say about this?

BK

E. Howard Hunt left out a lot that’s documented in a new book called “Ultimate Sacrifice,” in order to protect his friends.

Files show that Hunt’s long-time friend Manuel Artime had “guilty knowledge” of JFK’s death and was involved with associates of Florida godfather Santo Trafficante. Trafficante’s partner Johnny Rosselli paid off another Hunt pal–Tony Varona–shortly before JFK’s death. Sturgis was a bagman for Trafficante, and David Morales worked closely with Rosselli.

Finally, newspaper records, the Tampa Chief of Police, and Secret Service sources confirm that JFK was almost killed in Tampa–not Miami–four days before Dallas.

he is clear on that, baconballs. those materials were returned to his father, but he kept copies for himself.

the driver of JFK’s vehicle – watch the video closely…

I disagree. My question is whether or not the writer physically witnessed (read the papers – heard the tape) the evidence, or is taking St.Johns’ word.

I don’t know. From what I understand, Hunt implicated LBJ in his new book, too, so whether or not his meth-addict son has possession of some scribblings that outline the plot in detail, to me, is beside the point.

The thing is, why would someone like Hunt, on his deathbed (both figuratively and literally), make an allegation that he must’ve known most people would dismiss on its face as ludicrous? And after keeping silent for his entire adult life? Something doesn’t add up.

In my opinion, Hunt’s story is too bizarre to be ignored.

It was the driver who killed him.

It was because JFK new the truth about extraterrestrial contact with earth and he threatened to tell the american people the truth.

The ‘controllers’ wanted to continue to keep the truth about Aliens under wraps so they decided ot kill JFK.

It’s only a matter of time (I estimate within the next 5 years) when the government comes clean on the past 60 years of cover-ups. Including who killed JFK, the roswell incident (and more) and who was behind 9/11.

The LA Times dismissed this “evidence” as inconclusive. Funny thing is they never examined it beyond a glimpse. 60 minutes on the other hand had hand writting analysis done on the notes….. no funny business found, its the real deal.When we decided to make this information public I knew that both my brother and I would be under suspicion. That is exactly why I brought Eric Hamberg on board to inspect the evidence, speak with my father and put some of these important pieces together. Eric Hamburg would have no interest in deceiving the american public. He was almost solely responsible for getting JFK documents
declassified. I think the new Rolling Stone story was exceptional. More to come soon.

Read Mark Lane’s excellent book. “Plausible Denial” about a trial in the 80’s concerning whether E. Howard was involved in the JFK hit…the short story is that E sued a right wing magazine which said he engineered the hit…Mark Lane defened the mag and the jury agreed that E was probably involved and he had no alibi of where he was on that day.Check out the tramp pictues…one is E Howard, the other is Charles V. Harrelson who just died…who confessed to being one of the shooters when he was being arrested for doing th hit on a Federal judge…he later retracted it…check it all out and you will find that E. Howard was a protege of Allen Dulles, the supreme architect of the hit…read Fletcher Pouty…we will never know the truth, but it is there, and E. Howard was the on-site manager of the hit

By the way, David Hunt should know that the suite initiated by his father against Spotlight Magazine was to counter the query Howard said he had from his children, “Dad, did you shoot the president?” Obviously, Hunt, as well as Charles V. Harrelson (the father of the actor, Woody Harrelson, would never admit to being part of the execution of one of the most popular presidents in history…No man wants the sins of his faher visited on his children and his children’s children, so it is understndable why David defends his father…every son would do the same, but it is not part of the objective truth….it’s all part of the Anit-Castro Cubans, the Dulles brothers, the Mob under Sam Giancana and Carlos Marcello, as well as parts of the cia and military intelligence…read David Lifton’s “Best Evidence” Lee Oswald was the greatest patsy set up in history….there is no doubt that Nov 22 was a coup d’ etat that we are still paying for, sadly the concept of America died that day, and E. Howard was one of its authors

we all killed jfk. we all casued 9/11. end of story. in the future will america is the old greece in history books.

I have noticed lately a drive to stick the blame onto LBJ in recent years, with similar revelations by his personal lawyer and his late mistress. But of course LBJ himself could not have controlled every other politician, the bureacracy, and the entire world’s media, who all closed ranks with the conspirators. The hit on JFK came from the very core of the Establishment that rules the US. Think Rothschild/Rockefeller.

Evidence about LBJ’s involvement has been murky at best. There has been stronger circumstanial evidence about Marcello, Traficante, Giacana, the Corsican hitmen, and J. Edgar Hoover providing a massive cover up and destruction of evidence.

Too many people with a motive. Castro, LBJ, Mafioso, conservative fundamentalists, aliens, Joe DiMaggio… Hell I’ve even heard The Beatles did it to prep the U.S. for the British invasion. Damn Limey bastards! That’s basically what happens when one man gets too much power, especially when he’s tripping and screwing around with very famous women and generally making people nervous.

sic semper tyrannis

After Earl Warren completed the investigation into JFK’s assassination, LBJ ordered the proceedings sealed for 70 years. I always thought that was a strange thing to do.

Mordechai Vanunu claims the Mossad killed JFK because he opposed Israel’s nascent nuclear weapons program.

Is Cord Meyer still alive?

That’s the most intersting thing to me about Hunt’s confession. I wish he would have been asked about his relationship with Danny Casolaro, the writer who died while pursuing an investigation of the Inslaw scandal. Or Kerry Thornley, the Oswald Marine buddy who claimed to know Hunt. Or Fred Crisman, who was another candidate for grassy knoll assassin. So many things…but then an oral history with a man who lied for a living doesn’t have all that much historic value.

Kenn Thomas
author, The Octopus (about Casolaro) and Maury Island UFO (about Crisman)

I seriously doubt that thw world (much less the American public) will ever know the truth about the assasination of JFK. Take, for instance, Senator Arlan Specter (still a U.S. Senator) who was on the Warren Commission and a STRONG proponent of the “silver bullet” theory. There are people still alive who know the truth. But we will never know. As another poster siad, American will soon be the Greece of bygone days. The government of this country has just gorwn too powerful and too corrupted. We are doomed folks.

DAVID HUNT– Eric Hamberg showed up to “help” Oliver Stone too. Instead Stone got the “Garrison Treatment” from him.

I would trust anything Hamberg was involved in as much as I’d trust a David Atlee Phillips, or an E. Howard Hunt, or a Posner.

Sure, LBJ would prefer to eliminate JFK and take over rather than go to jail (which is where he was quickly headed in ‘64) but CIA-PENTAGON people called the shots and made the hit on behalf of the same oily boys that are running things even today. LBJ was a part of the planning that went on – not THE planner of the whole thing.

It’s easy to get some pissed-off Bay of Pigs vets to shoot a couple of Kennedys, but only high level agencies can keep the propaganda up year after year as they do.For the good of the nation, of course. (The usual excuse for doing these things).

At least this article confirmed my own story of seeing Hunt at Blues Alley several times. LBJ was much closer to the Texas hit men such as Harrelson than he was to CIA operatives. In fact the oil men of Texas were not close to CIA operative either in spite of Phillips being from Ft. Worth. They were Hoover people. If someone coupled their power to the CIA assets, it would be very interesting but where is the connection. Demorenshilt?

Probably planned by CIA and done by Mafia hit men. Bush41 was in Dallas that day too. Possible motives? JFK’s coming decision to pull out of Vietnam (war profits) or put the US treasury back in the currency business (Exec order 10101: Red Seal Notes). Who sez LBJ was headed off to prison? For what?

If you want to know more about the assassination of JFK, go to vaticanassassins.org

Eric Jon Phelps will tell you who killed him. Search the net for interviews.

If this is to be believed, and the money motive for the sons is my biggest question, which I think is fair – especially in light of the way the Felt book was (mis)handled – (and I am not judging them, this is America, by any means get yours) but if money is a motive, it might fuel the naysayers. So I hope they are insulated and have enough firepower. If so, the repercussions of this are absolutely unfathomable. Worst case, this could set off another civil war..

Hunt was more than likely involved as a photo of him being there shows. To what extent I’m not sure, maybe with Stugis and Harrelson as guards for the Grassy knoll Mafia hitman. I am right still leaning with the best book I’ve read on this subject, the John Davis book, Mafia Kingfish- The Story of Carlos Marcello and the JFK Assasination. Great read and really spells out how Marcello who had a deportation trial on the day of the assaination was the the true mastermind behind all of this. Interesting FYI is the fact that Bobby Kennedy was the US Attorney taking Marcello to court that day. Kennedy called off the preceedings and Marcello was never again pursued vigoursly by RFK again. CIA, Mafia, Hunt, Marcello all seem to go hand in hand with the great whodoneit of our lifetime. I believe in the John Davis version which brings together the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, JFK, MLK, RFK and Watergate and puts all of this at the mastermind of Carlos Marcello, mafia kingpin based out of New Orleans who controlled the whole southeastfor the mafia that included Dallas as well. In conclusion read the John Davis book with Marcello’s incedible involvement as to who killed JFK.

wow heavy stuff, i’m a little hesidant on buying this stock but i’m a intreagued, however i think our country will collapsebefore we ever find the truths of all this

Except for Vietnam, I kind of liked LBJ. This assassination story just seems so not what happened. LBJ was noisy and bossy but hardly a coup maker. He put real teeth into civil rights legislation, more than JFK did would have and that was central to me. Then when he saw the end coming for Vietnam as relatively honorable men began to disintegrate, he quit. Mossad? did Israel get a fully funded nuclear program from LBJ? I don’t know. Marcello went to jail for a long long time. It all sounds very
beside the point to me. It just seems so odd that LBJ would have JFK assassinated in Texas. It was so close to his heart. I was in college at the time of the assassination and I remember a tall gangly red head from Texas moaning in the coffee room, “Why did it have to be Texas?” You don’t get that now but in those days. . .

HUNT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT OSWALD GOING TO CUBA WITHIN A WEEK BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION

DOESN’T THE REAL MOTIVE FALL ON FIDEL CASTRO ?

While intriguing, one shouldn’t take this purely on face value…. There have been too many con jobs perpetrated in regards to the JFK controversy… one should be skeptical of any confession….

The authors could have read any number of JFK conspiracy books and gotten the names of the suspects mentioned in this piece.

Another top candidate for the “French Assassin” besides Lucien Sarti, is a french assassin named Michel Mertz. Mertz was in Ft. Worth Texas on the morning of Nov. 22nd 1963 (So was Kennedy). And Mertz was in Dallas that afternoon when Kennedy was killed.
Mertz was taken into custody by the INS (Immigration and Naturalizion Services) within 48 hours after Kennedy was shot, and Mertz was deported to either Mexico or Canada. Someone wanted Mertz out of the country after Kennedy’s murder……otherwise they would have detained him and questioned him about his possible role in Kennedy’s murder. Mertz threatened the lives of any JFK assassination researchers who tried to talk to him. Why was he so threatening, if he was innocent in JFK’s death?
Mertz died in 1995.
I dont know whether to believe Howard Hunt or not. When you deal with fantasy for so long, as CIA agents often do (fake names, disguises,impersonations, double agent tactics, etc, etc,) sometimes you forget reality.
But the Mertz story is important regardless of whether Hunt was involved or not.

This is very intresting what people are saying. I realy think that Kennedy and Lincoln have alot is common if you look it up. I hate how they both got shot!

I think that the zero game is the most stupid idea that has ever been thought of. Why would the goverment want to kill the presedint every 10 years it is so stupid.

It seems that their are too many people to accuse. What could the motive be and who are the people. It could be the russians or the cuabns or even americans. Who knows!?

I think the theories were all wronb

It’s kind of weird that historians are just now finding clues to JFK’s assasination. Maybe it’s technoligy but it’s been years! You’d think they would have found somthing by now.

Did you see the picture? Kind of weird, don’t you think? Anyway…Wat’d you think of the artical? I already posted a blog below. Read it to see what I think.

I certainly don’t believe that Lee Harvey acted alone. But, how much can we trust the word of self-described meth addict of twenty years? He’s got too much to gain by selling this story. And his father is a person who can not be trusted.

“Who killed JFK?”

Bush. He kills everyone. And starts all wars. And natural disasters. There, I am I liberal now?

Rather than spending time concerned over who did JFK we should all be digging into the truth of what happened on 911. It damned sure wasn’t airplanes that demolished the WTC towers, especially WTC #7. While JFK’s death was tragic it pales compared to 3,000 in the WTC, 3,200+ soldiers, and upward of 650,000 Iraqis, doesn’t it?

David Morales mentioned as one of the conspirators in the JFK Assassination is most interesting. Shane O’Sullivan, Irish filmmaker, in his forthcoming documentary on the RFK murder in Los Angeles, has film of David Morales in the Embassy Room of the Ambassador Hotel the night of Bobby’s assassination. Check out bbc.co.uk “Newsnight” – CIA roll claimed in Kennedy murder.” and guardian.co.uk “Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy? Does this mean that Sirhan was set up? He still is in prison.
Michael Calder- author JFK VS.CIA

LBJ’s involvement in the planning, execution, and subsequent cover-up, should come as no surprise. LBJ despised Bobby Kennedy. LBJ was being being deeply implicated in scandals involving Billy Sol Estes, as well as Bobby Baker. His days as vice-president were waning — indications were that JFK was going to run for re-election with someone else as a running mate. LBJ was completely power-hungry, and left bodies all over the state of Texas in his unscrupulous quest for nat’l political recognition and power.

In order to effect a plausible cover-up after JFK’s murder, the new president MUST have been involved. Given that he would do anything, even kill, to avoid embarrassment and an ultimate prison sentence, LBJ could have been drawn into the cover-up involuntarily through blackmail, but I believe he was a willing participant.

Names not mentioned by Hunt that deserve their own spotlight in JFK’s assassination are: Allen Dulles (fired as CIA director by JFK); Richard Nixon (in Dallas on 11-22-63, spoke in code on his own recordings of “that Bay of Pigs thing”, actually referring to the JFK murder); Nicholas Katzenbach (the infamous memo written immediately after Oswald was killed); Jack Ruby (connected to organized crime in ways too numerous to mention here); Arlen Specter (SBT [Single Bullet Theory], badgering and coercion of witnesses, alteration & concealment of medical evidence, etc.); Gerald Ford (described by the FBI as “our man on the commission” — he illegally leaked informaton back to the FBI of the commission’s intentions, and primarily was responsible for the wounds of JFK moving to anatomically conform to Specter’s SBT); John Edgar Hoover (FBI director and blackmailer extraordinaire); H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison (wealthy Texas oilmen); Roy Truly (manager of the Texas Schoolbook Depository — how else could the conspirators ensure that the entire 6th floor was devoid of staff during the motorcade?); George DeMoehrenschildt (”former” CIA, supposedly committed suicide immediately before having to testify before the HSCA in ‘77, and Dallas resident that “befriended” Oswald).

JFK’s death offered SIGNIFICANT benefits to certain people:
1. LBJ, as president, then had Bobby Kennedy’s testicles firmly in his grasp, effectively neutering his follow-up of the LBJ and organized crime investigations.

2. The Military/Industrial Complex: with their infiltration of the deepest parts of the CIA, these companies, such as Bell Helicopter, Brown & Root, et. al., had massive defense contracts and massive profits to be made in Viet Nam. (Read for yourselves about how the Gulf of Tonkin incident was fabricated in order to justify further involvement in Viet Nam.)

The obvious parallels to the JFK murder and escalation into Viet Nam, can be found today in the clear manipulation of intelligence to justify Bush & Cheney’s pet war in Iraq — a war for war-profiteering’s sake.

Please educate yourselves about the role of George H.W. Bush throughout the years. It’s more than idiosynchratic that Gerald Ford would appoint him as CIA director. As director, clearly he was able to sanitize the military records of his son, to avoid George W. Bush as being portrayed as A.W.O.L. and guilty of desertion — of which our current “president” is indeed guilty. His actions, and those of his cronies, have been enabled by the american public’s passive stance toward the inner circle of power through the years, and beginning on November 22, 1963.

Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone. First bullet was the one that missed, second bullet was the “pristine” bullet, third was the head shot.

Read “Case Closed,” which does, indeed, close the case.

Charles Harrison? A gloryhound who would “confess” to anything but what he actually did.

All the other conspiratorial ideas? Spinning complexity far beyond reason.

LBJ whacking Jack? Hell, Bobby probably had LBJ miked from the day the Kennedy Administration started. Ridiculous.

And, if Hunt’s kid had talked to Costner first, he surely asked his old man leading questions. And nothing’s on tape.

St. John also has a money-making motive somewhere behind this, no doubt.

Lee Harvey Oswald

“Case Closed”, Gerald Posner

Oswald probably shot one of the shots it seems like Kennedy was shot from two directions clearly there were more than Oswald there to asassinate Kenedy And people were behind the scenes making sure it happened and Oswald died

I’ve read “Case Closed” by Posner. I was hoping that it would have been printed on softer paper, so that I actually had a use for it.

Of all of the books I’ve read about the JFK murder, among the best are ALL of them by Harold Weisberg, as well as “Bloody Treason” by Noel Twyman. Harrison Livingstone’s books are quite comprehensive as well. For information regarding visual evidence, especially Zapruder Film analysis, Robert Groden’s “JFK: The Case for Conspiracy” is the best DVD. In it you will see close-up, frame-by-frame analysis of shots fired at the motorcade, including irrefutable physical reactions by both JFK and Connally indicating more than 3 shots.

How typical is it that a murder with stone cold facts/evidence cannot be considered solved to a bunch of RS liberals. Most people here probably also think Bush bombed the towers and Al Gore won in 2000. I guess the truth is irrelevant if it doesn’t fit your agenda.

I was waiting for someone to say something truly intelligent. I should have know it would be the propaganda spreader. Once again, like so much manure, your fingers spew forth the contents of your brain.

the driver,no doubt.ya, right

Jed
Yes, you are the intelligent one for believing in baseless conspriracy theories. My bad.

Your ego is a fire that can’t be tamed.

We were aware that this information coming from us would be less than believable. I had the forsight to bring Eric Hamberg aboard to meet with our father and verify all that we claimed. Mr Hamberg was responsible for getting the JFK papers declassified. He is a seeker of TRUTH and would not fabricate history for the sake of a dollar. For me this is a business opportunity. For my brother it is a little more personal. For Eric it is discovering the truth to the biggest historical question of our time. We have provided valuable pieces to the puzzle and were brave enough to come forward with it.

LBJ’s last interview (with Atlantic Monthly) “I’ve got no problem with Oswald pulling the trigger, but I’m not stupid enough to think he acted alone.:

Nixon’s last on Larry King Live “It was so long ago. It’s not worth raking the country over the coals, and even if the cubans were involved, it was a different situation back then.”

We thank you much Hunt family for bringing this to light. There are some of us here that understand that there are too many inconsistencies to the Kennedy’s stories to be merely a single person acting alone in either case. I applaude your bravery in bringing this to light knowing the controversy and all the naysayers that will try to shoot it down. After all, dissembling is alive and well in our modern society.

Bill Greer, the Secret Service driver, slowed the limo to a virtual stop in the killing zone, turned to watch and then gassed it after the head shot. Clint Hill was able to get off the next car back, run up to the limo and jump on the back step. Greer was grinning and joking before and after his Warren Commission appearance. Kennedy never had a chance because his guards were in on it. Greer didn’t shoot him as some claim but he facilitated it.

No one has ever discussed the big flap that was blown open in the right side of JFK’s head. There must have been bullets coming from several directions.

I suspect that JFK’s murder was directly linked to the fact that he had signed a law abolishing the federal reserve (which is neither federal nor a reserve) and one of the first things LBJ did was to restore the federal reserve.

Obviously Oswald wasn’t acting alone…Yet the government still barfs up that sad propaganda just as papa crook bu$h recently puked it up on Fords death…

Follow the money and you find the scum a$$ crooks…The same as it was then, as it is now…

The real mass murdering corrupt terrorists stole the election in 2000 and are still making money from blood today…

“We the people” will one day have the last laugh when they are all hanging from tree’s until dead…

Power to the people…Lets all start taking back our once proud country! Before one more innocent person is killed for $$$!

I think that there are plenty of things that happen daily that the government doesn’t want us to know about, The real question is are we ready to stand and demand to know that truth !in my opintion I don’t think it was anyone man but it would have only taken one man to stop it !

Was this it? A bit disapointing.
That JFK was assasinated by the US gov’t/CIA/LBJ has been clear since many years.

This “confession” adds nothing.

Some people get it… ConFab… It’s all about executive order 11110. This would have abolished the federal reserve and returned the power of money to the people. It would have repealed the federal reserve note and in it’s place, the us note would be used. It’s been going on for a long time. Jesus and the money changers… We need to investigate the central banking cartel families like the Rothschilds, Shiffs, Warburgs, Kuhn, Loeb, Alex Brown, Lehmen Bros.,Rockefeller, Harriman… Until Americans solve the problem and stop treating the symptoms, we’ll be stuck and it’s only going to get worse.

They asked Andrew Jackson what the primary accomplishment of his presedency was and he said, “I killed the bank.”

“We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it”. — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

“The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.

There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the
International bankers — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

How is it that the Cabell Brothers are always ignored? Earl (Mayor of Dallas and Congressman from Dallas, in the motorcade) and his brother Major General Charles Cabell who as DDP was the planner of the Bay of Pigs and a man who swore vengeance on JFK. Gen Cabell worked directly for Cord Meyer who was the instrument of Allen Dulles. LBJ knew all this was in the works, but never alluded to any of it, and did his job when his time came….cover up, clean up with his next door neighbor in DC for 25 years….JEdgarHoover. My oilman relative said to his friends at the Petroleum Club in Dallas one day in 1973, ” I see Lyndon had a heart attact the other day. I hope he doesn’t decide to go shootin off his mouth.” Nothing like those who fear those deathbed confessions.

In any case, with the Cabells, we have motive, means, and opportunity. No one was better positioned to control the Dallas Police and the CIA and coordinate the coverup than the Cabells working with JEdgar and Co. Check out Cabell’s relationship with George DeMorenschildt. Check Cabell’s comm with the Miami connection… Giancana and Johnny Roselli. There were many cutoffs on the Mafia side too. Ruby got his orders from Marcello via Traficante and Sam the man. It would be interesting to know who the true ‘cleanup team’ was. That is, those in charge of getting rid of witnesses and participants. Somewhere there is a very big file and there are at least 25 to 30 people who know about it and who the main players were. Nixon was one. Hunt was one. Cord Meyer was one. Lyndon was one. Was George HW Bush one? He was there. Certainly there is a very secret file at FBI HQ that has all of this. We ‘the people’ lost our control of our government on that fateful day in Dallas, and we are living with the results of the ongoing cancer as it metastasizes and becomes the tumor in the brain that has driven all decency and sanity from the body politic.

Say goodnight to America Gracie.

the Mormons did it

Thank you, Saint – more details, with admission of involvement, so links are clearer. As truth is told, it is then seen; those who plotted, hoped to benefit, and be in charge. God bless the USA

“Bush. He kills everyone. And starts all wars. And natural disasters. There, I am I liberal now?”

No, but you’re a moron.

Ben Gurion sanctioned the hit.

Michael Collins Piper’s “Final Judgement” is the definitive book on the entirety of the machinations and players employed to carry out the assassination. It answers the myriad questions which pulls the enormity of the assassination and its cover-up together

Thanks for running this story. Even as fragments, the Hunt notes and diagrams add parts to a larger whole. I’ve been on this case since the sabotaged plane crash in which Mrs. Hunt died. I can fill in many more details if David or St. John wish to contact me. cmxarts@aol.com CW

The allegations made in this article had been suggested earlier in “Conspiracy,” an early 1980s book on the JFK Aasasination. Add to that book the three-hour PBS Frontline, “Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald, originally broadcast in 1993 and rebroadcast in 2003, and you have the best compendium of all the conspiracy theories and fascinating lose ends in this tragic murder. These not-so-novel allegations involving the Dealy Plaza tramps have been inserted in this autobiograpy to make it more saleable. But there is not a shred of solid evidence that anyone but the most likely suspect, Lee Harvey Oswald, planned and executed the JFK Assassination -every new bit of evidence that has come to light since 1963 points to him and to no one else, as the sole killer of JFK.

JFK was only the first, and when they got away with that, they went on a spree, the assination 60’s. When we let them get away with JFK, we sealed our fate and they have been getting away with anything and everything ever since. Who “they” are, I don’t know but I keep waiting for America to wake up and demand our country back from “them.” Not that I think that will happen. No one has any character or integrity or honor. There is nothing we won’t do to further our own agenda, from the every day citizen right up to the very top of our greed stricken, corrupt government. We have waited too long and done too little. The ethical person is a fool. The thieves are in control and the ones young people emulate. How sad for America. How sad for all of us. We have lost what made us great and though it has gone on for centuries, the day they killed JFK and got away with it was the day they knew they had us. That’s why after all these years we still ask questions but surely no one believes that any of this will make any difference. The entire system is corrupt. Who will prosecute? Who in authority do you trust?

Please. There are 7 MILLION DOCUMENTS confirmed to be sealed over this staged event. Do you think he’s telling you the top tier conspirators? I think not. However, one question I have….Is why Daddy BUSH in one of the Book Supository pictures smoking a cigarette talking with some other suspicious character? The photo is authentic. and NO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION ever took place-common sense without a investigation spells out complicity; the local police are not going to hold a ‘Commission’ for you if you murder someone;they will have an investigation, then trial-Niether happened after that murder.

One question for Hunt. Why is Bush Senior shown in a picture smoking a cigarette outside the book supository RIGHT AFTER the murder with a shadowy cahracter?
Commissions are not investigations. Theres a difference. One for coverups, one for prosecutions.

One question for Hunt. Why is Bush Senior shown in a picture smoking a cigarette outside the book supository RIGHT AFTER the murder with a shadowy cahracter?
Commissions are not investigations. Theres a difference. One for coverups, one for prosecutions.

It’s so strange to read this fascinating account while having a personal awareness of another suspicious, and almost certainly related, death. It really changes the impact, let me tell you.

As far as I know, the events I’m familiar with have never been publicly investigated, or even discussed outside a small circle of friends and family. But for those of you trying to reconcile the fantastic aspects of this story with your own reality, let me assure you that the Hunt’s claims of shadowy violence during the that era are much easier to believe when there is a link to your own life experience.

The father of an old boyfriend died in 1978. After lengthy investigations a few years later by my boyfriend and his sister, it became clear that them that there was evidence of foul play, a crudely falsified forensic investigation and a documented but previously unknown CIA connection. (He was apparently yet another “contract agent”, much to the surprise of his children.)

One Sunday in 1978, this man, now divorced and struggling as a handyman, suddenly telephoned a VP of ITT at home in another state that he had no reason to even know, then fled, living in motels for several weeks until being discovered in a snowbank. (I have personally seen the documentation relating to all this.)

I was told by my boyfriend that shortly before this poor man suddenly fled, the Church Commission had expanded their investigation into the deaths of both Kennedys.

My boyfriend and his sister spent a few fearful years trying to get to the bottom of their father’s death, but ultimately worrying “episodes” that kept occurring caused them to abandon it and put it all behind them.

All this had happened before he and I were going together, but discussing it, reading the documentation and seeing the destructive effect these events continued to have on this man’s children changed my view of what powerful people are capable of forever. To be honest, I’m slightly uncomfortable even writing about this- I guess that sort of fear is infectious.

We broke up badly, and I haven’t spoken with him in many years. I had moved away to go to Grad school, but I heard his sister died a few years later, although I don’t know the circumstances.

Sorry to ramble on about all this. I know it’s somewhat off-topic, and I hadn’t really meant to go into it. Several thing’s that St. John Hunt said about his emotional experiences reminded me very much of what my old boyfriend went through. I just thought readers should be aware that very strange and awful things really have happened to real people. So much fantasy and confusion about the assinations shouldn’t be allowed to eclipse the real pain so many have gone through in the aftermath.

There’s material in the book “VoteScam” that claims there was a shooter sequestered in a drainpipe/manhole in a bridge that LBJ had had built some years earlier and would have been aware of as the hit was being planned.

Funny how some people can just ‘know’ they are right to call into question the motives, integrity, or perceptiveness of someone they’ve never met- and yet they can feel doubtful that another man could be right about knowing when to question his own father.

… “But, how much can we trust the word of self-described meth addict of twenty years? He’s got too much to gain by selling this story…”

“WE” can trust the word of anyone if we care enough to really listen to them.

BTW. your grossly unfounded misconceptions about St.John and his trustworthiness- combined with your inability to discern between logical reasoning & presumptuous dismissal- strongly indicates how much your words can be trusted to present an objective view.

I for one am glad mr Hunt confessed, to me this is proof that the three tramps in the pictures are indeed HOWARD HUNT and FRANK STURGIS without a shadow of a dought! Hunt being affiliated with the CIA is proof to me why the department of justice refused to identify the tramps on the photographs, and no records of arrests were ever descovered. You have to remember too, that the CIA are still keeping secret millions of files pertaining to the DRE organization from Miami, for it was this anti-castro group, that took part in the presidents murder. I believe Oswald never fired a shot that fateful day! and he was set up!

With such a variety of players and motives, some wacky, some quite plausible, we’ll never know the true story.Conspiracies, some hidden, some revealed are the hand behind human history. The powerful will always hide their manipulations from the masses.

ya, i did it.

For the latest great conspiracy book, see Richard Cook’s “Challenger Revealed: An Insider’s Account of How the Reagan Administration Caused the Greatest Tragedy of the Space Age.”

Again, the Republicans will have a Jolly-Fest with “Conspiracy Theories” about 9/11(Although I know lots of Repubes who do believe it was an inside job), Kennedy’s assassination, Bobby Kennedy’s and Martin Luther King’s assassinations.

Mention anything Clinton, and they are off on the wildest goose chases ever imaginable…Bonkersville.

The GOP is always ready to pounce-even though they are the Only Gamey Thing in Town…(Pew!)

Follow the money.

Israel wanted nukes. Kennedy was against it. Team the zionist mafia up with the CIA, throw LBJ, Hoover, and main stream media into the mix and you have a coup.

Right after the coup LBJ lies the country into war, and Brown and Root wins billions in no bid buddy buddy contracts. The country is distracted from the murder of Kennedy, as Americans start coming home in body bags and billions begin to flow to Israel.

The gang is still there and their crimes are the same. Lie the country into war and let their buddies like Brown and Root, now Halliburton, win the billions in no bid contracts. Let’s not forget the new twist of 18 billion changing hands due to insider trading 9-11.

The enemy list:
Neocons
CIA Intelligence
Military Industrial Complex
Big Oil – Rockefeller
Big Banks – Rockefeller
Main Stream Media
Zionist judiciary

Wow, I mean wow!

I always thought LBJ and many others mentioned here were involved in the assasination of JFK. I also always thought it was about Johnson wanting Vietnam for his Military Industrial Complex cronies among other reasons.

A lot of this stuff in these comments are revelations as well.

And I have been convinced for a long time that our government today is totally corrupt and owned by the globalist corporations.

Iraq and Vietnam have so many similarities, and many of the same players. It is no coincidence. They are still using the same playbook and people eat it up.

It is profoundly true that America as a democracy died a cruel, silent, final death in Dallas, Nov. 22, 1963.

The one thing that most people seem to agree on is that we may never know the whole story. That does not matter. Nor does it matter if we know all of the names involved.
Most of them were just pawns, and are dead now anyway. Enough names and pieces ARE known to give us the big picture. That is what really matters, that we know who the main conspirators were and are. That is quite clear to almost everyone. Hardly anyone disagrees about that. Who stood to gain the most, or lose the most? THEN follow the money.
I would edit Beijingyank’s list as follows.

The enemy list is:
Neocons and their black op friends in the CIA and FBI.
Military Industrial Complex
Big Oil – Rockefeller, Texas boys
Big Banks – Rockefeller, the Federal Reserve Board

These are only the coverup teams.
Main Stream Media
Neocon judiciary

They are the co-conspirators behind most or all assasinations, wars, and national tragedies since the end of WWII. Probably including 911, and definitely including Iraq and Iran.
Vietnam was a foregone conclusion.

Although, I have doubts about the Israeli nuke motive, since they did not need JFK to get nukes.
The Federal Reserve motive is impossible to ignore or dismiss.
Too many very rich and powerful people stood to lose a lot there. That was most likely what got him killed. All of the other possibilities and motives pale in comparison to the scale of replacing the FRB.
That steps on too many big fat toes with too much money to lose, to let it happen. It would be a death sentence for anyone to try to do.
Even if he did not know that he was risking his life by doing that, he deserves a hero’s honor for trying it. Maybe one day it will happen.

As for LBJ sealing the records for 70 years. Yes, that was strange, and it insured that they would remain sealed until after his death, so he would not have to deal with it.
Pardoning Nixon was strange too.
Everyone I have heard from about it thinks he should have gone to jail, or impeached at the very least.
Both were obvious coverups. What is strange is how blatantly obvious they were. A slap in the face of all Americans from the conspirators to show us who is in control.

One little wrinkle of Hunt’s confession struck me as being more or less confirmed elsewhere. The Watergate Tapes had some discussion of what Nixon referred to as the “Bay of Pigs” thing. Nixon is worried it will come to light, but then the actual Bay of Pigs thing already had happened. John Dean, in Worse than Watergate, identifies it as the JFK assassination. In particular, Nixon is worried that simply mention of the location of the Bank where it was run through might expose the whole thing. As Frontline had an excellent documentary exploring the question of whether Lee Harvey Oswald was in Mexico City, I surmised that the bank Nixon was talking about was in Mexico City – which would have tipped us off to the whole “Bay of Pigs” thing. Thus, it is extremely interesting that Hunt here has Oswald meet with one of the assassination plotters in Mexico City. While it seems nearly impossible that Hunt was not one of the tramps in the photos, other than the admission of his own guilt (probably to protect his son and wife), he may have been telling a whole lot of truth here.

As to Gerald Posner, he also wrote a book defending the official 9/11 conspiracy theory – and all most people have to do to know it is a lie is to view “Loose Change”. (Minetta’s testimony alone ought to be enough to hang Cheney.) They must be getting low on trusted operatives indeed, to wheel him and Rivkin out so often to spout apologetics for the treasonous criminals who have been conspiring with foreign powers to end Constitutional democracy, “home rule”, and even now U.S. manufacturing and borders, in the U.S. for generations.

When widely separated sources of information start saying the same thing concerning a disputed event being investigated, it’s time to start paying attention.

The letter:

“”Dear Mr. Prime Minister:

“I welcome your letter of May 12 and am giving it careful study.

“Meanwhile, I have received from Ambassador Barbour a report of his conversation with you on May 14 regarding the arrangements for visiting the Dimona reactor. I should like to add some personal comments on that subject.

“I am sure you will agree that there is no more urgent business for the whole world than the control of nuclear weapons. We both recognized this when we talked together two years ago, and I emphasized it again when I met with Mrs. Meir just after Christmas. The dangers in the proliferation of national nuclear weapons systems are so obvious that I am sure I need not repeat them here.

“It is because of our preoccupation with this problem that my Government has sought to arrange with you for periodic visits to Dimona. When we spoke together in May 1961 you said that we might make whatever use we wished of the information resulting from the first visit of American scientists to Dimona and that you would agree to further visits by neutrals as well. I had assumed from Mrs. Meir’s comment that there would be no problem between us on this.

“We are concerned with the disturbing effects on world stability which would accompany the development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel. I cannot imagine that the Arabs would refrain from turning to the Soviet Union for assistance if Israel were to develop a nuclear weapons capability–with all the consequences this would hold. But the problem is much larger than its impact on the Middle East. Development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel would almost certainly lead other larger countries, that have so far refrained from such development, to feel that they must follow suit.

“As I made clear in my press conference of May 8, we have a deep commitment to the security of Israel. In addition this country supports Israel in a wide variety of other ways which are well known to both of us. [4-1/2 lines of source text not declassified]

“I can well appreciate your concern for developments in the UAR. But I see no present or imminent nuclear threat to Israel from there. I am assured that our intelligence on this question is good and that the Egyptians do not presently have any installation comparable to Dimona, nor any facilities potentially capable of nuclear weapons production. But, of course, if you have information that would support a contrary conclusion, I should like to receive it from you through Ambassador Barbour. We have the capacity to check it.

“I trust this message will convey the sense of urgency and the perspective in which I view your Government’s early assent to the proposal first put to you by Ambassador Barbour on April 2.

“Sincerely,

“John F. Kennedy”

Do a Google search for “James Files” who confessed that he was “one” of the shooters who hit Kennedy.

In 1987, garden service man John Rademacher found a .222 casing 5 inches deep at Dealey Plaza some distance from the spot where Files said he left it (with Files teeth marks on it just as Files claimed in his confession).

Watch “JFK 2: The Bush Connection” for more info on JFK’s death.

9/11 TRUTH NOW! Everything else will fall into place…

What’s with the double standard Rolling Stone? You write an exhaustive piece about the JFK assassination, but a hit piece regarding 9/11 Truth?

Please watch 9/11: Press For Truth.

There was a book that was written in the 70’s called “CIA:Coup’de taut In America”. It thoroughly discusses the3 tramps and the likeness to Hunt and Sturgis.

If anyone has “Red Seal” $20.00 bills from 1962 and (maybe) 1963, hang onto them. They are the last evidence that JFK indeed wanted to abolish the Fed reserve.

The only politician in modern times who preaches the same mantra is Rep Ron Paul from TX.

I believe it. How bout a scan of the note & hand writing analysis for conformation of authenticity. Maybe that guy who keeps calling everyone “liberal” cause he’s a baby and can’t handle reality can print off a copy to shove up his ass.

JFK’s assassination was unquestionably a coup d’etat and marked the beginning of the rapid decline of America to its present deplorable state.

‘9/11′ was unquestionably an INSIDE JOB carried out by the CIA and Mossad and was the latest in a long and sordid history of MANUFACTURED FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS designed to obliterate our liberties and usher in the plutocratic elites’ long sought after tyrannical and despotic New World Order.

The world is and has been under heavy delusion. The true axis of evil on planet earth is represented by rogue elements within the intelligence agencies of the U.S., G.B., and IL under the control of their respective administrations all under the umbrella of their plutocratic elitist masters using the phony ploy of fighting “global terrorism” as the catalyst for oppressive global governance.
infowars.com

Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island” its a look at the Federal Reserve and how our money is “created”. It touches on all these issues that have lead us to where we are today including the JFK assasination.

The late Nord Davis Jr. of North Point Teams wrote a pamphlet titled, “Dallas Conspiracy” that everyone needs to read, if you can still get it.

According to the late Nord Davis Jr. the assasin’s name was
Georges Von Mohrenskold
aka
George Sergei De Morenschildt
and
Among his CIA code-names during this assignment were “Saul” and “Troit”.

I noticed the link I gave below, the last three letters of the link stayed “black”. So, if you just do a search for, “Nord Davis Jr. and Dallas Conspiracy”, you should be able to bring up the pamphlet writen by the late Mr. Davis Jr. Isn’t it strange. Already “someone” is blocking you from this wonderful message by Mr. Davis. Not surprising, to me!

Sensi313-Matt Taibbli wrote an article on the subject called, “The Hopless Stupidity of the 9/11 Truth Movement”. So, I wouldn’t count on the truth coming out any time soon.

One of the best indications that something is wrong with 9/11 is that although there is a 9/11 Truth movement of probably millions in the U.S. by this point, even supposed opposition publications do not have the balls to publish both sides of the story, and have by and large conducted a media blackout of the size of the 9/11 Truth Movement. If the government were not participating in a conspiracy, why exclude any information about the ‘93 attacks, and especially the collapse of WTC7 later that day, concerning which Larry Silverstein said they decided to “pull it”, which means demolish, whereas NIST said it collapsed on account of fire. It too came straight down and collapsed in a neat little pile, like the two main towers. There are some very good points in favor of the 9/11 Truth Movement, but it has come out that it is corporate policy at all national television network news broadcasts is that the collapse of WTC7 is prohibited. Now how do you supposed OBL arranged that (not that he didn’t get the ball rolling)? Some very suspicious BBC footage has surfaced in which they report the collapse of WTC7, i.e. the “Salomon Building”, with it plainly visible in the background, still standing. There is video in which steel or molten metal is falling from a corner of the first of the two towers to collapse, just before it collapsed. Anyone care to tell me how kerosene (i.e. jet fuel), office furniture and drywall heated that high-quality steel to yellow hot, or do you just wanna call me names, like an idiot with the intelligence of a pre-schooler? As Charlie Sheen says, don’t just call us names – challenge us on the facts.

I applaud RollingStone for having the courage to publish so sensitive an article as Hunt’s deathbed confession in the near-dictatorship we have now. While I appreciate the delicacy of your position, suffice it to say that it is a symptom of the sickness of America and the ever-growing cancer on the presidency that even RS is afraid to inform the public at large that there is a very large and growing 9/11 Truth movement.

E. Howard Hunt, sleazeball to the end, would never implicate an American political hogster for JFK – he would lay it at the doorsteps of a FRENCH hit man – he would pick that story any day. And he would pick the son he despised to run with that.

His final legacy will be exactly the legacy of America – as 9/11. will out-JFK the JFK conspiracy machine until America ceases to exist except in myth and lore.

I killed JFK my name is dudley and i live in Mexico and Im 83. I killed that fother mucker and his beeotch Marilyn Monroe

Appreciate the comparisons to 9/11 commission. Of course it is the same paradigm at work. The “taboo” subjects that may get you fired, censored or disappeared. (Specialties of the fascist “shadow” government that is very much in control.) With the United States of Amnesia’s limited attention span, it is important to focus on the simplest Key facts that create questions among the population that will hopefully inspire further investigation leading to a collective understanding that will cut through the fog of propaganda. Its no longer a question of left or right, its a question of wrong or right, sustainable or non-sustainable. For example, in the case of the Kennedy assasinaton, how could a bullet fired into the back of the head travel through brain tissue, hit the back of the left eyebrow and do a u turn out the side of the head as the Warren Commission claims? In the case of 9/11, how could the 20 tons of steel, titanium and aluminum that make up a 757 disappear into a 16-18 foot hole leaving the windows on either side intact? (as pre-collapse photos clearly show). Keep it simple and effective. Come up with facts the propagandists can not explain away……cheers!

I am of course referring to the the “footprint” left at the pentagon before the fire spread to the upper stories and collapsed the roof. Most observers see the consequences of a “cruise missle” attack. Of course the photographic evidence for that attack was collected from 3 separate video cameras (pointed at the crash site) by the FBI within minutes of the collision….cheers!

Where did Bush Senior work during the time of JFK?

The third building came down in the same manner as the twin towers which in turn indicates that charges were placed in this building at the same time. This in turn means that a third plane was anticipated but never made it. Now the traitors were in a fix. They can’t bring down the building without a plane first crashing into it but on the other hand, if they let it remain standing, the building will be primary evidence of the conspiracy.At some point someone would come across the set charges and the conspiracy would unwind. So, after a considerable amount of time, the decision was made to bring down the building and at least destroy the evidence. How can I take out life insurance on Larry Silverstein who insured those buildings. Bet I wouldn’t have long to collect.
Michael Calder-author JFK VS. CIA

This is absurd.

Charles Hester, Emmett Hudson, and Marilyn Sitzman, the only witnesses on the grassy knoll who gave testimony about the direction of the shots, all said the shots came from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository. Hester was standing on the eastern part of the knoll, Sitzman at the center of the knoll, and Hudson on the western part of the knoll.

Marilyn Sitzman was standing on a 4-foot high pedestal 15 yards east of the 5-foot high picket fence on the grassy knoll. She had a clear view of the fence below her. She stated that she saw no gunman firing from behind the fence: “The blast of a high-powered rifle would have blown me off that wall.”

Lee Bowers was operating a railroad interlocking tower, overlooking the parking lot just north of the grassy knoll and west of the Texas School Book Depository. He had an unobstructed view of the entire back of the picket fence atop the grassy knoll. He reported that no one at all was behind the picket fence at the time of the shots were fired.

Actually you are entirely wrong about that. The majority of the witnesses did and still do say that the shots came from the grassy knoll. The witnesses who said they came from the TSBD were the ones who were across the plaza and subject to the various acoustical confusion created by the position of the buildings. Of course the FBI ignored any witnesses who conflicted with the “official story”. Further, there WERE shots coming from the TSBD and the top of the the Building across the street. The death shot came from the grassy knoll. The film (Zapruder film) shows all the evidence you’ll ever need that the shot came from in front and right of the car. Sometimes the simplest evidence is best. There is no way that a shot from the TSBD could have torn off the back of JFK’s skull.

Anna,
You could content yourself with the idea that Hunt is a major suspect for shooter in the MLK assassination.

“Actually you are entirely wrong about that. The majority of the witnesses did and still do say that the shots came from the grassy knoll.”

Actually, I am entirely right. There were nine witnesses on the grassy knoll. Three testified as to the direction of the shots. All three — Hudson, Sitzman, and Hester — said that the shots came from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository.

As to the total witnesses who testified about the direction of the shots (104), you’re still wrong. 53.8% said that the shots came from the direction of the TSBD, 33.7% said from the direction of the knoll, 7.7% thought the shots came from a location entirely distinct from the knoll or the TSBD, and only 4.8% thought they came from two directions.

“Of course the FBI ignored any witnesses who conflicted with the ‘official story’.”

The FBI took numerous reports and depositions from witnesses who described one or more of the shots as coming from the knoll or Triple Underpass area. Those who went on to testify before the Warren Commisson were: Victoria Adams, Danny Arce, Virgie Baker, Doris Burns, James Crawford, Ronald Fischer, Wesley Frazier, S.M. Holland, Billy Lovelady, Joe Molina, Frank Reilly, Arnold Rowland, William Shelley, Garland Slack, Edgar Smith, Joe Marshall Smith, Forrest Sorrels, James Tague, and Roy Truly.

Don’t take Gerald Posner’s word for everything. Your own post is full of contradictions. The rifle supposedly used by Oswald was NOT a high-powered rifle. Also, since the actual witnesses on the scene were threatened and cajoled by the FBI, it’s hard to know what there real testimony was unless you go talk to them personally. Many will tell you that their Warren Commission testimony bore no resemblance to what they actually said. There is no chain of evidence and the suspect was mysteriously shot before he could even be charged, much less tried.

“There is no way that a shot from the TSBD could have torn off the back of JFK’s skull.”

The back of JFK’s skull was not turn off. In fact, other than a fairly clean bullet entrance hole, it was otherwise undamaged.

The warren commission report is a whitewash. I hope you aren’t relying on that for your stats. The assassination commission of the 70’s (though still a whitewash) came to the conclusion that there had to be more than one shooter (be definition a conspiracy), and yet left it at that not wanting to explore the implications of that assessment. C’mon, stop drinking the koolaid! The entire thing stinks to high heaven and has since ‘63.

“The back of JFK’s skull was not turn off. In fact, other than a fairly clean bullet entrance hole, it was ..undamaged.”

OK, so your one of those who doesn’t believe their own eyes. You know the autopsy photos have been proven faked? When Jackie was splayed out on the back hood of the limo, the later asked why. Her answer is documented. She said she was retrieving a chunk of the back of her husband’s skull. Did you realize there were three shooters (none of them was Oswald). I have it from two diverse sources (besides this one) that European hit men were used. There are hundreds of other problems with the official story. Please don’t make me look it all up for you. You seem like an intelligent fellow, but you need to diversify your reading. That is unless you don’t really want to know the truth.

“When Jackie was splayed out on the back hood of the limo, the later asked why. Her answer is documented.”

She said no such thing. From her WC testimony:
Mrs. Kennedy: And then I just remember falling on him and saying, “Oh, no, no, no,” I mean, “Oh, my God, they have shot my husband.” And “I love you, Jack,” I remember I was shouting. And just being down in the car with his head in my lap. And it just seemed an eternity. You know, then, there were pictures later on of me climbing out the back. But I don’t remember that at all.
Mr. Rankin: Do you remember Mr. Hill coming to try to help on the car?
Mrs. Kennedy: I don’t remember anything. [Later:] But I do not remember, just as I don’t recall climbing out on the back of the car.

Walloon,
So I get the impression that you’re sitting there with your Gerald Posner book and I refuse to break out any of my books to accomidate you. Or maybe you just ARE Gerald Posner. It just seems lidicrous to me that anyone who knows anything about the actual case could take the Warren Commission side when there are MOUNTAINS of evidence that contradict just about everything in the report. I’m not going to argue the fine details with you here. I don’t have the time to refute your hollow claims. As far as Zapruder, I know what I saw. There’s NO WAY you can convince me that shot came from the back.

I don’t own any Posner book. Where is your information from? You seem to be wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Walloon,
You know, far be it from me to disabuse you of your comfortable notions. If you want to believe the warren commission, you go right ahead. The research I did on this subject rocked my head around pretty good. That was about 4 years back, and to tell you the truth I don’t even want to get back into it. I don’t blame you if you don’t want to go there. Just remember this, don’t believe everything you read (or even most of it). Believe your own senses, you own reason, and the evidence. Of course, this is advice from a man wearing a tinfoil hat.

I was wrong about Jackie. It was actually Secret Service agent Clint Hill, who claimed that when he ran forward from the car behind, as he reached the limousine he heard her say: “I have a piece of his brain in my hand.”

Had him, lost him. Darn! those government operatives are slippery!

“The back of JFK’s skull was not blown off. In fact, other than a fairly clean bullet entrance hole, it was otherwise undamaged.”

That is a matter of some controversy. It seems the doctors a Parkland Hospital in Dallas tell a very different story. The autopsy was done at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The doctors involved reported being under strict supervision of some very “spooky” characters who were directing what procedures they could and couldn’t do. Hmmm. Sounds a bit fishy, doesn’t it?

Add to this the Zapruder film (which has been altered several times). In the original cut (which you can now access online), you can see it the most clearly. It is perfectly obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain that Kennedy’s head was splattered all over the back of that limo.

Thank you, Rolling Stone, for your recent article in which St. John Hunt, eldest son of Howard Hunt, offers significant evidence
further implicating his father in the assassination of JFK.

St. John bears witness to things he dared not speak about while his father was alive. I am referring here not to the conspirators list his father
wrote, which has little evidentiary value, but to the things that St. John
himself perceived, with his own eyes.

From the Rolling Stone article, here is the key testimony:

“One evening in Eureka, over a barbecue meal, St. John explains how he first came to suspect that his father might somehow be involved in the Kennedy assassination. “Around 1975, I was in a phone booth in Maryland
somewhere, when I saw a poster on a telephone pole about who killed JFK, and it had a picture of the three tramps. I saw that picture and I ####ing — like a cartoon character, my jaw dropped, my eyes popped out of my
head, and smoke came out of my ears. It looks like my dad. There’s nobody that has all those same facial features. People say it’s not him. He’s said it’s not him. But I’m his son, and I’ve got a gut feeling.”

When I first studied COUP D’ETAT IN AMERICA, by Canfield & Weberman, where the Tramp photos were reprinted, I was
dubious about the authors identifications of Criswell & Sturgis, but I was
immediately struck by the resemblance between Howard Hunt and the Oldman Tramp. I made multiple photocopies of each photo of Hunt and each photo of
the Oldman Tramp. I matched both halves of Hunt’s face with halves of the tramp photos and repeated the experiment in every combination and permutation I could think of, whether vertical, horizontal, or crosswise.
I examined all these combinations under a magnifying glass, the only piece of technology I had available.

I was frightened by what I saw. Howard Hunt was the Oldman Tramp as sure as God made little apples. Like St. John Hunt, I knew it in my gut. It was
1986 and I knew that Howard Hunt was very much alive…..

I was not a qualified expert in facial recognition and I never discussed the tramp photos, or the opinions of the HSCA experts in any detail with other assassination researchers. I found that there was plenty of other evidence to be studied, and that none of it to me seemed inconsistent with the theory
that Howard Hunt was arrested in a boxcar, masquerading as a tramp, in the railroad yard behind Dealey Plaza. There have been pretenders to the
title of Oldman Tramp, Chauncey Holt, et al, but to my eyes none of them comes close to matching the Oldman tramp. Howard Hunt was there.

But what of Hunt’s various alibis? It seems that every alibi Hunt proposed has collapsed under scrutiny, with one exception up to now. That
exception was his claim that he was home with his family that evening. Here is a further extract from Rolling Stone:

“He chews his sandwich. “And then, like an epiphany, I remember ‘63, and my dad being gone, and my mom telling me that he was on a business trip to
Dallas. I’ve tried to convince myself that’s some kind of false memory, that I’m just nuts, that it’s something I heard years later. But, I mean,
his alibi for that day is that he was at home with his family. I remember I was in the fifth grade. We were at recess. I was playing on the merry-go-round. We were called in and told to go home, because the president had been killed. And I remember going home. But I don’t remember
my dad being there. I have no recollection of him being there”.

Does St. John’s inability to remember his father being home that day constitute direct evidence that Hunt was somewhere else? Further questioning of St. John will probably help clarify that, but I think common sense says the truth is obvious.

I was in boarding school on November 22nd, 1963. I was 13 years old, whereas St. John I think was 8 years old. My most vivid memory is of the two teachers who were on study duty that evening (it was about 6.45 Pm GMT, and already dark when we heard the news). As kids we all looked to our authority figures at such a shocking moment. I am quite certain that if I
had been home that evening, I would remember my father’s presence, if not the actual words he spoke.

We can thank Rolling Stone for bringing this new evidence to light. The question is what can now be done to move the inquiry
forward. AJ Weberman, co-author of COUP D’ETAT IN AMERICA suggests that a study using new facial recognition technology might be able to confirm or
refute St. John Hunt’s identification of his father.

Perhaps Rolling Stone will earn the country’s gratitude by taking the next logical step.

Sincerely,

Raymond Carroll
Commack, NY.
Raymond

Nice to learn about the dark psychology of a ruthless murderer and criminal that Hunt was from one of his vistims – his son.
Lets not wait another 40 years to expose the official lie behind 911. There are many more Hunts still among us.

The few names connected with lines is quite a thin and naive story by E.H.Hunt. Could LBJ and the handfull of CIA guys from Hunt’s list pull off the thing (and that without Hunt!), cover up the story and black-out the media for 40 years? Obviously the guys that killed the President are still in power now. George Bush Sr. is a prime suspect. We should not wonder if a photograph with him as a long lost fourth tramp on grassy knoll appears some day.
As epilogue:
In some sense Hunt’s life turned out to be less of a failure than G.Bush’s: Hunt’s son did not pull off 911, demolishing half NY , killing 3000 Americans, 600000+ Iraquis and is not presently prepairing the next devastating false flag operation against his own nation.
For St. John growing in similarly sick environment as little GeorgyW and yet staying just a modest drug dealer can be considered a human triumph.

“It is perfectly obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain that Kennedy’s head was splattered all over the back of that limo.”

No one denies that President Kennedy was shot in the head, and the brain tissue splattered throughout the area. But you wrote below that it had “torn off the back of JFK’s skull,” which is plain false. The major damage to the President’s head was on his right side, above the ear, where a grapefruit-size blowout occurred. The back of his head had only a clean bullet entrance hole.

In 1967, all three physicians who performed the autopsy of President Kennedy examined the photographic and X-ray materials from the autopsy at the National Archives, and certified their authenticity. “It was then and is now our opinion that the two missiles which struck the President causing the neck wound and the head wound were fired from a point behind and somewhat above the level of the deceased.”

In 1988, four of the Parkland Hospital physicians, sponsored by the PBS television program “Nova,” examined the Kennedy autopsy photographs at the National Archives, and each confirmed the photos represented what they remembered seeing that day, including a picture of the rear of the president’s head, which shows no defect.

“Add to this the Zapruder film (which has been altered several times)”

In 1998, Roland Zavada, a product engineer from Kodak who led the team that invented Kodachrome II, studied the film at the behest of the National Archives and concluded that the film was an “in camera original” and that any alleged alterations were not feasible.

“Howard Hunt was the Oldman Tramp as sure as God made little apples”

Dallas Police files released in 1989 showed that three tramps arrested in the railyard had been booked on Nov. 22, 1963. The records identified the suspects as Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney. Two of the men, Gedney and Doyle, were still alive, and confirmed the arrest.

The evidence of the hand of former CIA operatives and Cubans in Watergate is established beyond peradventure. The evidence of CIA and Hoover’s knowledge of Oswald prior to the assassination of JFK is established by Hoover himself in the LBJ tapes. The evidence of LBJ and Hoover establishing the Warren Commission by blackmailing Warren to avoid a grand jury investigation and that Warren’s report was written by the FBI is established by LBJ in his conversation with Senator Russell in the LBJ tapes. We now know that Hunt, with a Cuban CIA link was in Dallas. The evidence of CIA operatives of Bay of Pigs origin in the Ambassador Hotel at the time of the Bobby Kennedy murder is now established. It does not take much more than common sense to conclude that if three banks in three cities are robbed and Willy Sutton was in each town the day of each robbery, that he did it.
Hunt may blame LBJ for JFK. Others may point to Nixon for Watergate. But if you consider all of the evidence, it is just as likely that the FBI and CIA served their mutual interests and manipulated their masters. Could one not conclude that Hoover tricked LBJ to set up the Warren Commission. Could not one conclude complicity from the CIA giving the FBI access to the tapes of the Russian Embassy tap and their spying on Warren in Mexico City? I am convinced from the tapes that such is the case and Hunt was a true CIA man to the day he died. LBJ did not do it. The CIA and the FBI either did it, allowed those within their agencies to do it or turned the other way. The only controversial point I will make is that I suspect those who were involved as soldiers in the field did what they did because they felt they were right either in protecting America from the Kennedy family, protecting their agencies from control if the failure to control operations was uncovered or in getting revenge for the death of their comrades on Cuban soil. You can blame them as you will, or not, depending upon their reasons and position. What is more important is that this chapter in our history be written as it happened so that it does not happen again. I was not in the CIA or FBI during the Nixon administration. But, I was in the government in an investigative position. Our government was at war within itself. We have true enemies – we need eliminate the enemies within before we find we lose our democracy because of ourselves.

“Rogue agents,”…thats a laugh…if they were, the OP would have been a one off with discrete chronological beginning and end points rather than an ongoing process that reverberated through the entire second half of the twentieth century…

Regards,

Jim Page

I interviewed Hunt’s pal, Richard Helms back in the 1990’s. Helms admitted that persons involved with Watergate were also involved with JFK’s murder. Can I prove I talke with Helms? You bet. I still have an audiotape of him calling me and leaving me his phone number

“Walloon says that the muscular and menacing-looking tramp known as “Frenchy” was really a harmless hobo named Harold Doyle.”

No I don’t. Re-read my post.

Just want to mention that John Tunnheim who headed the JFK Records Declassification Act of 1992 appeared in a documentary for A&E/History Channel during the time when they called themselves the Network for the New Millennia.

The Tunnheim Panel concluded that
“OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE CIA”

The documentary has, of course, disappeared, with the last parts of the “Men Who Killed Kennedy” which went into LBJ’s involvement.
LBJ is undoubtedly a prime suspect, but he could not have done it without the approval and help of the establishment — OIL, intelligence, military, CIA, FBI.

JFK was turning out to be another FDR and might have gone even further.

Currently, we’re being turned into a third world America as the right wing rises to fascism.

I doubt that Howard Hunt would have told anything shockingly true because I would imagine that he was being watched in some ways. The LBJ connections had long been out there and McClellan had just written his book. And, Madelaine Brown, his mistress, had made clear his connections.
See: You Tube re JFK assassination

Re the tramp photo — of course it is Howard Hunt — however, evidently the photo is being distorted in newer versions of it to make it less HH like.

Since we’ve also recently had the nonsense about the “magic bullet” and the resurrection of the JFK jacket moved myth, I just want to add for those unfamiliar with the neck/back wounds that the back wound is close to the shoulder and about 6 inches BELOW the neck wound and is on a 45 degree angle DOWNWARD.

The neck wound is a shot from the front and has no exit.
The back wound is a shot from the rear and has no exit.

Certainly, James Jesus Angleton, John Dulles and J. Edgar Hoover were involved in the assassination and cover up –
Richard Helms, of course.

Edward Landsdale and George Bush, Sr. — both also photographed that day in Dallas.

If you look at the conspirators against FDR — and there was a USHR inquiry on that — it is the familiar faces — DuPont, etc.
FDR saved capitalism which was going down, but he did it by regulating capitalism.

Currently, most of those regulations have been overturned.
Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime.

Also agree re the Federal Reserve — a private bank dictating national policy — a job which Congress is elected to do.

The Tunnheim Panel concluded that
“OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE CIA”

Want to correct that to
“OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE FBI”

Journalists had immediately asked for Oswald’s IRS info, work records, etc. which were denied.
Presumably the Tunnheim Panel got to see them.

This conclusion was repeated at least twice — with the text of what was being said appearing as John Tunnheim spoke the words.

William Fox is an anti-semetic person, who is not good.

Telebob98 is 100% correct. The Mayor of Dallas in Nov. 1963 was Earl Cabell and his brother was Charles Cabell, Deputy Director of the CIA in charge of the Bay of Pigs Invasion and later fired by JFK. They felt, along Dulles, Cabell’s boss, that JFK was soft on communism and had to be taken due this lack of anti-communism in JFk’s policy. They used their mafia connections to orchestrate the murder and cover-up. LBJ let it happen so that he would become president. Hunt and Sturgis were part of the support team. Sturgis was in Cuba in 1959 and he ran guns to Castro before it was known that Castro was going communist. It is then that Sturgis got his mafia contacts – in 1959 in cuba – he worked with Trafficante there. The mafia imported the real hitman . Oswald was just the patsy. Oswald knew it and that is why he had to be shot or else he would have revealed the true killers- Oswald was by P. Atlee Phillips – part of the CIA working with the Deputy dir. Cabell- that is the Cabell connection – he knew Oswald and approved / guided the handling of Oswald and him being set up as the patsy. Cabell also hunt/sturgis, who handled the mafia hitment for Cabell / Dulles. Dulles was on the Warren commission and ensured that the truth would never be revealed. Ruby was brought into the plot by Sturgis. Ruby was also involved in running guns in Cuba with Trafficante and Strugis in 1959. Ruby wsa “given ” the contract to kill Oswald solely because he had access to the Dallas police station. He knew Trafficante would kill his family if revealed the plot to kill JFK. As Dylan once wrote (in the Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest)” nothing is revealed…”

You guys are all a bunch of nuts. It doesnt matter what this person or that person allegedly “said” about the JFK thing, all of the forensic, medical and scientific evidence supports the lone shooter scenario. So get a life you morons. Yours truly–Clay Bertrand

Bobby Kennedy figured out who killed JFK fast. CORD MEYER. He put the hit out on Cord Meyer’s wife, shot in the head jogging. A total hit. RFK knew Mary Meyer (a blue blood painter,) liked LSD and had tripped with JFK multiple times, told pals ‘prexy was getting spiritual from acid.’ Gave RFK some serious GRRRRRR. Almost a yr after JFK’s death, Mary followed. CORD MEYER had to know instantly RFK had done this. He knew RFK knew. 3 yrs later, RFK RUNS FOR PRESIDENCY. He’s a definite sure bet! That means no sooner is Bobby in office, he goes for CORD MEYER. RFK had to die. CORD MEYER was part of the octupus group, a well orchestrated assasination unit. Danny CASOLERO researched this hit unit. Had stacks of notes. They realized the young reporter was onto them, killed him and took only copy. We may never know about Bobby’s knowledge. Maybe ETHYL could tell us if RFK knew. But she probably won’t. The next stop on this busline would be this: BARACK OBAMA is far outside the OCTUPUS which runs GOP and BILLARY (MENA) group. Barack is close to TEDDY KENNEDY. The sec OBAMA wins, TEDDY will work thru Obama, close in on what’s left of the JFK HIT TEAM. If any are alive still. No wonder OBAMA has this incredible level of security! He fears a BOBBY hit. Google GUYATT writing on the OCTUPUS.

BEFORE you Read my POST below on The kennedy family knowing who did in JFK, plaese read the one immed. below IT! titled “EXTRAPOLATE”

What a bunch of mental cases. You conspiracy guys are really whacked out. Do any of you know the difference between corroboration and speculation? Do you know how many people have “confessed” to playing a rolei n the JFK murder? Scores and scores! I remember back in the 70s one guy wrote a book about his alledged role. No corroboration, just a claim. Hunts alleged confession is nothing but a bunch of crap like all the others. For the love of god, let this nonsense drop already. Yours truly, Jack Rubinstien.

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Cord Meyer, on his deathbed, stated that the people who murdered his wife were the same people that killed Kennedy.

The official story is totally ridiculous, requires suspension of physics, ignores a “flurry of gunfire” originally reported, extra bullets, and dozens of discrepancies.

This is the most accurate statemt:
“Actually, there were probably dozens of plots to kill Kennedy, because everybody hated Kennedy but the public,” Saint says. “The question is, which one of them worked? My dad has always said, ‘Thank God one of them worked.’ I think he knows a lot more than he told me. He claimed he backed out of the plot only so he could disclaim actual involvement.

This is in line with the people who BECAME the CIA attempting to stage a coup against FDR in 1933, while supporting Hitler. Nazi SS was the model for CIA, and Gehlen helped design it. EVERYONE knows it’s role in murdering/deposing heads of state.

E. Howard Hunt was up to his eyeballs in the JFK assassination, he hated John Kennedy, was in charge of the anti-Castro Cuban fanatics, and wouldn’t have passed up participation in this plot. Since guys like Sergio Archa Smith, Veciana, Morales and others were involved, you know Hunt was. Mark Lane proved in the libel suit against Spotlight Hunt filed, by calling witnesses who testified under oath that Hunt was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Why, if not part of the conspiracy? E Howard Hunt as a swine of the first order, a malevelant cancer that didn’t die nearly soon enough. If there is a hell, the hottest spot should be reserved for him, David Attlee Phillips, Edward G. Lansdale, Allan Dulles, James J. Angleton, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Bissell; the architects of John Kennedy’s murder.

FOAD, people like Diane Sawyer WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to bring this sort of REAL news to the mainstream – even if they wanted to!

Well I believe if we look at the facts alone…blocking out others opinions, it becomes obvious E. Howard Hunt was involved along with a number of others. Did he personally plan it? We’ll never know. Also, we’ll never know who spear headed the effort. We can review all the forensic evidence, legal briefs, documents, photos, etc. but the critical information that paints a clear path has been destroyed along with the deaths of individuals that could personally testify or are too old to have creditability in a court of law.

We will only have theories that will be discussed for years to come.

It is a shame the truth was not communicated to the people of US. However, to a large extent the people of US did not want to know at the time and still don’t want to accept the truth. Accepting the truth would sure up the foundation that supports our government was and is still as corrupt as other countries…they just do a better job at covering it up.

For the record, I served in our military and I’m proud to have done so. Actually, I believe all young men should have serve…it builds discipline, character and a foundation of what makes this country so great. NO…I don’t believe for a second our government was involved in 911. It is a war against terrorism that has migrated to our land and will grow if we don’t stand our ground. It is a shame someone wrote something this ridiculous in one of the responses to this article.

When I say still corrupt see below a few examples:

Think about how much money the US government collects from the tax paying citizen and blows…democrats and republicans. A billion dollars a year is in a slush fund they can’t account for is one of the smaller items on the US government income statements and balance sheets. Another is all retiring government officials get lifetime retirement and health insurance when the people that pay taxes have to build our own retirement estates… Take a minute and add up all the politicians that are receiving in excess of $75,000 a year in pension payments from taxes collected from the US citizens. It is not included the social security budget but is a separate line item that is in the hundreds of millions a year if not in the billions…not including on going security cost. How about over a .60 cents per gallon of gas goes to our federal government…over $1.50 per gallon when you add in all the state and local taxes. Where is this money going??? Along with all the other programs fat with supporting special interest groups that get them elected and re-elected.

The real cover ups today are financial…US tax payers are being robbed blind. One political party is not to blame but both. Yes, there good people that enter politics but it seems along the way the majority become misguided…or corrupt to special interest groups wanting money.

I commend Rolling Stone for the article…great job!

ok, if you believe in a conspiracy…you have to include this guy..he planned ops for allan dulles..ran the bay of pigs, and kennedy fired both..and dulles pops up on the warren commish hand picked by lbj?

Well since you bring up Bissell…he based his position in Bay of Pigs on how he hoped or expected Kennedy to react. Bissell screwed up the operations from the word go by not getting the proper support in the first place. Allen Dulles was right in there with him… The major problem the both of them had was bad planning and less than acceptable commitments from the man in charge (Kennedy). However, the major problem was under estimating Kennedy’s unwillingness not to be involved publicly versus the commitment to supply the necessary resources to finish the job. It is sad Kennedy’s personal reputation meant more to him than the lives of the people on the ground.

It would not surprise me to find out Bissell, Dulles and a number of others were involved in the assignation. There were a LARGE number of people embarrassed over the Bay of Pigs fiasco and just hated Kennedy for some reason. To top things off, rumor or stories have it that Kennedy knew he should be fired or impeached for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. However, he knew he was protected in our government structure as long as he fired the two that took the front end positions…Bissell and Dulles. It seems Kennedy underestimated the anger he would create combined with having LBJ wanting the Presidents position.

Again, the shame is the US people at the time did not want to hear or know the truth. Also, there are still people today that refuse to accept facts or just unwilling to accept our government had the essence of glorified mafia. Once again, the real crime today is the amount of money taken from hard working American citizens.

A large majority of witnesses testimony have 3 or 4 shots being fired. However, the VAST majority of their testimonies state that:

1. They heard the first shot.
2. The second and third shots came nearly simultaneously.

Oswald may have fired, but I doubt it. Next, he could not have fired the two nearly simultaneous shots.

This equals conspiracy. You need to read their ENTIRE testimony — there are resources online. Then do a search for these witnesses’ reactions to how their testimonies were misrepresented or altered, by the Warren Commission and/or the HSCA.

The actual persons that fired the rifles that killed JFK are important, but secondary to the people that conspired to have it done, and then conspired to cover it up.

Clearly the backyard photos are faked composites. A quick look at the shadows under his nose do NOT fall at the same angle as other shadows. Also, the camera angle changes slightly, but if you superimpose the face of these images, they are all identical. Therefore, ONE image of Oswald’s face was composited onto someone else’s body.

E. Howard Hunt was a nasty dude. So were LBJ, Allen Dulles, Arlen Specter, Richard Nixon, et al. Hoover was among the most vicious of all of them. (NOTE: The Kennedy family was certainly not lilly white either.) It shouldn’t be so difficult for Lone Gunman theorists to accept that these individuals had the 4 M’s: Motive, Method, Means, and MONEY. I can understand why your feelings are strong concerning the assassination conspiracy.

However, if you truly want us “conspiracy theorists” to go away, then why do you continue to resist a truly impartial and official re-investigation of ALL of the “evidence”? It seems to me that you should actually welcome another investigation, if your claims of a single assassin and the SBT are so solid.

Whether we all like it or not, the official gov’t position stems from the HSCA: He was probably killed as a result of a probable conspiracy.

The AARB also reached this conclusion, and strongly recommended that the respective Judiciary committees take further action. HOWEVER, up until Jan.1, ‘07, the Less-Than-Honorable Arlen Specter was the CHAIR of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

One final comment — when I lecture about the conspiracy, I remind people that it’s all too easy to look at the broad scope of it, and think that involvement of ALL of these people simply could not be possible. However, let’s pretend that YOU were a lowly photo technician, or a Dallas policeman, or even an autopsy prosector, at the time of this event. Your superior tells you to alter evidence that will implicate and frame Oswald by saying to you, “That bastard Oswald killed our beloved president. We need to ensure that he never has a chance to get away with it.” You, being a good employee and a good american, likely would go along with it. Then, after some time goes by, you realize you were duped into it, and you have no recourse.

JFK was killed by a conspiracy of a few people in a few key positions. Among the Perfect Storm of idiosynchrasies that came together to provide motive to various people and organizations, the one that reeks the most is the CIA’s desire to escalate the Viet Nam war — NOT to stem the spread of communism, but to provide MASSIVE war-profiteering contracts, especially to those located in Texas, the Treason State.

RC- while the Mafia provided some of the mechanics/ shooter(s), the CIA orchestrated the hit and the cover-up. Using his spot on the Warren Commission, Allen Dulles was very effective in executing this part of the strategy. LHO’s handlers were part of the intellingence community (Phillips/Banister/ Shaw).

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Furthermore, every incoming President has a secret private metting with the outgoing President. What was said to JFK about the military industrial complex, as well as the people holding long standing positions in power? What was he warned about? Who was he warned about? Reports of replacing Hoover in his second term? Who was Hoover’s next door neighbor in DC? Add to that, RFK going after the mafia, who supposedly helped get them elected in the first place.
JFK ordering the military to help splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces?
This guy pissed some people off. People that were in power long before that punk became President (seeing it from their eyes).
He was surrounded by enemies. Enemies of peace.
What was it that his speech said up to the words “we are all, mortal”. That gave everyone justification, soft on communism, post WW2 thinking.
Greece, indeed. Indeed.
I believe, somewhere on this website, is a large part of the truth. A very large part.

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I read many books from various authors on the JFK after seeing the movie with Kevin Costner JFK. I was happy to read that he is as passionate about it today as he was when he uttered those errie words in the movie “it is up to you”. I came to many of the conclusions that I have read at this website today.
A few things I want to point out that noone has yet to mention. At some point, Mrs Kennedy (according to her secretary I believe) said something to the Soviet representative present at the funeral services (most earnestly from what I understood) something that I took to mean “there will be no brave new world now”. If someone has the time to research the exact words, I belive it would be appropriate to post them to this forum. This indictated to me when I first seen this, just on how big of a scale JFK REALLY wanted to change things. He wanted to change the world. Possibly a catholics version of the world. Not a bad one too. (I am not catholic)

Todays 911 is yesterdays Dallas. Truths are blurred into theories.
Its a generational right of passage. Welcome to reality.

Sadly, I feel compelled to add this.
JFK and RFK were NOT angels. In fact, I believe that is why RFK was mostly sooo subdued until the late 60’s. Once he wasn’t, he joined JFK.

Bush did not cause 911. But the CIA lied to him too. Meaning, I believe he believes he did the right thing. I dont like him. I did not vote for him. I am afraid of the guy. Trust me, more afraid than any of you know. But connecting Bush and 911 is madness at an astonshing level. Were Clinton and Bush in cahoots? As if.

He IS the President, show him that respect. I am a patriot enough to be a human shield to protect a man I did not vote for. But I am not patriot enough to turn against someone that doesnt like him either. Those are the madmen.

Keep that trash out of something that is a very serious issue. Some of us love this country alot more than you can understand, much less know.

Good evening. God Bless America.
A proud Democrat.

the shooter of JFK would not have shot from the grassy knoll because there would have been too much of a chance to hit Jackie. The families are never harmed by Mafia or by any self respecting assassin. The bullet would have surely hit Jackie as she was sitting to the immediate left of JFK. Oswald acted alone. i did not believe this for many years. recently, i witnessed the actions of a younger man who was the same age as Oswald at the time of JFK’s killing. he was all over the place and bouncing around the store that i work in. he was belligerent and flighty as Oswald was at police headquarters. i could see how this nut would find a way to be involved in stupidity and a remorseful situation. if a gun is given to this dope he would have done the same as Oswald in his circumstances. the times back then were tumultuous and full of red fever. it was red versus america and the two ideologies had their followers who were on the edge. the photos of oswald holding the rifle are indeed his. the shadows are correct and the chin is correct. no one else had such a spindly body as his. the sun poked out and gave a bright reflective glare in those photos. the glare gives different shadow markings and makes things look brighter and more glowing in certain places of the photo. the chin is correct as is the neck line. the third and fourth photos show this also.

jfk was not reaching for his throat. it was a reflex action from being hit in the spinal area. the hands come up in this manner and it is impossible to put them down. they are stuck. this is why he could not move a little and get out of the way of the last shot from above. if you hit a water balloon who is to say from which direction the instrument to hit it came. it does not matter to the result. the flap on jfk’s head would not have been there if hit from the side. the flap is a searing hit as if a knife was slicing along an apple from front to back. if you stabbed an apple from the side it would not leave a flap. the flap could only come from the nut’s shot from tsbd.

OKay I have a question for the anti conspiracy guys. If there was no conspiracy wiht JFK,RFK, MLK, X, and Lennon. Why is it always liberal minded progressive folks who are knocked off. When was the last time and important conservative jerk off was assassinated? Why haven’t there been a ny consevatives killed. And where are the liberal nuts who might take out the Bush KLAN?

A documentary was shown recently on PBS or History Channel which convinced me Oswald did it and he was almost certainly acting alone. The rifle used was his and one of the deadly bullets came from his gun. They re-created his firing of the three shots and it was definitely possible — his accuracy was excellent, though. They recreated the angles of fire with computer generated identical models and the injuries all ended up as they did in real life.

The only question in my mind is did he act alone or at someone’s behest. The random nature of his employment at DSBD and then JFK’s motorcade passing by a few weeks later indicates a coincidence to me. It was his wife’s female friend who had suggested the job at the BD, so that doeswn’t point to prior planning by conspirators.

The one question I’ve never seen asked or answered is, how did it happen that JFK was in Dallas on that morning. Who scheduled the event and why? Who did the planning? Was it JFK’s and his political advisors’ idea or were people connected to LBJ and Texas involved, or other people. In other words, a detailed step-by-step analysis of the planning of the trip to Texas.

Recently I’ve read interviews with LBJ’s girlfriend who mixed with powerful people/LBJ’s associates who were very corrupt and supposedly susceptible to the use of violence and hated JFK. She believes that group was in on the killing. That get’s back to “who planned the trip and why”?

If you haven’t watched the latest documentary with the computer-generated sequence of event, do so.

Joe Green

Nov 22 1963, Air Force One leaves Dallas Texas bound for Washington DC. If ANYONE suspected Soviet involvement, it would be reasonable to assume it was a possible JFK was a first strike. Thus nukes would follow. IF I believed there was Soviet involvement in 1963, I would NOT be going straight from Dallas to DC. Try a bunker not on any nuke target list, like Bush did after 911. (which he did the right thing, I would have too).
The SS, FBI, CIA, noone at all took precautions for a possible nuclear strike in 63. LBJ was up late that night, at the WH. He called RFK before 4 am the 23rd, to have JFK’s secretary clear out everything of JFKs in the WH by 9 am. My conclusion is, because they all knew the Soviets were not involved.

Great source of information: Discovery channel special. JFK: The End of Camelot. About 90 minutes of interviews, just interviews. Gov Connoley and his wife, JFK’s secretary, the ambulance driver that took JFK to AFO. People on AFO that day. People at Parkland hospital that day , that saw LBJ running up and down halls yelling about a conspiracy. Hoover calling RFK, and JOYFULLY telling of JFKs fate. (as told by then deputy attorny general). Very informative.

The first thing made clear in the opening scenes of JFK : The End of Camelot. A JFK advisor returned from Texas a month before JFK was in Dallas. It was JFKs idea to go to Texas, a month earlier. First thing I want to know, is, when was his trip to Miami planned and who was in on that and when?
Gov Connoly suggested JFK bring Jackie, and made it more of a personal visist. JFK was already thinking ahead of the election coming up the next year. And he didnt like reading things like ” JFK Wanted for Treason”. Seconds before he is shot, Gov Connoly’s wife turns to JFK and tells him he has to know Texas loves him.
JFK needed Texas to win in 1964. And the trip was scheduled by JFK himself. Who knew what when? We know who knew what when with Dallas, I want to know who knew what when with Miami. It is the next step in that picture.

The idea that Oswald was a lone nut is ridiculous. If you want to read a book that really reveals what his role in the assignation was read “DR. Mary’s Monkey” In the book it details how Oswald was a part of an operation to make a bio-weapon to kill Castro. This is why he did all the pro-Castro stuff, and went to Russia and was able to come back without so much as a word from the State Dept. He was building his cover so that he could be allowed close enough to Castro to deliver the weapon. The Kennedy operation involved many of the same New Orleans figures that were well known to him. Oswald’s New Orleans Mafia connections are well documented. Oswald’s involvement in the bio project also sheds light on why RFK the Attorney General and brother to JFK didn’t swarm Dallas with agents to protect Oswald and more importantly what he knew. This would have been the obvious thing to do but he didn’t. It was convenient for everyone that Oswald be set up as a lone gunman. Oswald’s involvement in the bio project also dovetails with one of the largest scandal\cover-ups in history i.e The Polio vaccine that accidentally exposed 200 million people to a cancer causing monkey virus. While these facts are acknowledged in the leading cancer and Aids literature, it still hasn’t really made much of a dent on the mainstream. Get the book you will be amazed.

I just can’t believe that in the year 2007 there are still some poor folks who believe that Oswald acted alone. Amazing.

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You have got to be a complete moron if you think that Oswalt acted alone in the assassination of JFK.

I beleive hunt’s story that LBJ, Meyer, Morales, the french grassy knoll gunman, Oswalt, Phillips, as well as other CIA members were involved in the conspiracy, but can someone tell me what role Jack Ruby had in the conspiracy?

Walloon

Prove to me
1 The Warren Commission was not made up of JFKs enemies
2 The Warren Commission did not selectively choose who they interviewed as well as what questions were asked
3 The claims in the movie JFK that some of your arguments of eyewitness interviews were not doctored or fabricated, up to and including forging other peoples signatures.

I will consider your arguments.

The oddest of all, how in the *beep* did JFK’s brain disappear from the national archives?

Both Ford and Nixon had a role in the Warren Commission. One of them, was the liason between Hoover and The Warren Commission.

FURTHERMORE
A Congressional investigation in the 1970s concluded there was probably a conspiracy.

For every argument you come up “FOR”, I can come up with 10 or 20 “AGAINST”.

Jesus Loves You.

Lee Bowers’ statement that nobody was behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll when the shots were fired is from an interview with PRO-conspiracy author Mark Lane (who, not surprisingly, did not use that portion of the Bowers interview in his documentary film RUSH TO JUDGMENT), not from Bowers’ Warren Commission testimony.

Marilyn Sitzman repeated her 1963 statement to Dallas Police (that the shots came from the direction of the Depository) in a 1987 interview with PRO-conspiracy author Josiah Thompson.

Emmett Hudson confirmed his 1964 Warren Commission testimony (that all shots came from the direction of the Depository) in an interview with investigators for the PRO-conspiracy House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979.

Nixon was not on the Warren Commission, and had nothing to do with it.

As for what became of President Kennedy’s brain from the autopsy, the short answer is that attorney general Robert Kennedy and the president’s personal secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, took possession of it, and probably either destroyed it or otherwise made it unavailable. See HCSA Appendix to Hearings, vol. VII, Medical Panel Report, sec. III, “Chain of Custody of the Materials Acquired During the Autopsy”.

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The Warren Commission

It is remarkable that people still cite to the Warren Commission as a credible source of information. I would ask those people to listen to the tape recordings of Lyndon Johnson and Senator Russell now available on the net from the National Archive. Johnson tells Russell that he used information on Justice Warren from Hoover to blackmail Warren into serving and that Hoover wrote the Warren Commission Report. Johnson admits this is specifically being done to avoid a true independent inquiry, which he says will point to Cuba (but one might question his veracity). How can one point to a report that was created by blackmail, deceit and fraud?

Oil money + Mafia guns + CIA planners + anticastro Cubans + former SOA French soldiers of fortune = JFK dead. Note that, in Chicago (at the failed assassination attempt there), the “nut” they arrested was a military guy with mental issues. Several potential “patsies” were lined up. Someone let Dallas know about LHO. The Mob and the John Birch Society had a stranglehold on the Big D. Many wealthy people funded “anti Castro” patriot organizations that were fronts for extremist white-power factions in the south, who were feircly anti-commie. Gen Walker was shot at by LHO, who tried to stop the fascists from taking over. He was a snitch and got silenced. All the while, he thought he was on some spy mission – he never knew who was playing him.

Ruby’s role is as a cut-out; he’s there to create plausible deniability about who’s responsible for silencing Oswald. He’s at once ideologically aligned with the conspirators, and disconnected from them. His police connections are also useful.

well i was in the navy for four yrs and i got a clue on how our government works and how our military works, i haved read jim marrs book on the trail of the assasins and robert grodons book high treason some folks in this room should read it its good. The truth lies somewhere but if you look how our government is today and how our government was after jfk died, i am starting to think that there is a shadow government in place that still runs this country, i mean there are people running this country that most people in this room dont know about and they are making the big shot deals tha i know mr. Bush is not making. Second i have a copy of the zepruda film the back of jfks skull looks intact when he falls to the seat next to mrs. Kennedy after the head shot but when you look that the zepruda film closely, his dead goes BACKWARDS NOT FORWARD INDICATING A SHOT FROM THE FRONT. HAD HAD mr. Oswald, SHOT FROM THE BACK HIS HEAD WOULD HAVED BEEN THROWN TO THE FRONT NOT TO THE REAR. Third if you look that the zeprudar film more closely there is a little girl runing to the left the limo where the president is riding notice she is wearing a white dress mixed with red, notice one thing, she stops running right before the head shot is fired, notice that little girl is facing the grassy knoll if you look at the zepruder film you see that. Fourth there are about more then 10 to 15 films bieng rolled at the same time, a few of the films show people running to the grassy knoll directly after the shooting happend notice they are not running towards the texas book deposatory sorry if i miss spelled it. i am troubled by that since the warren commission never chose to look at some of those films that where shot during and after the kennedy assination that showed people running to the grassy knoll about seconds after the shot isnt that telling. Five oswald was a poor shot in the marine corps, thats a well told fact i like how the history channel tried to revive oswarlds shooting skills, not to mention the rifle that lee harvey oswald shot had a defective scope which makes it really hard to shoot an italian made rifle without the scope bieng infunction, the facts that the second and third shots came alomst withen 1.6 seconds of each other if makes it hard since the scope on oswalds rifle was defective it takes about 2 seconds for an italian carcono made rifle to reload and shoot and then be that deadly accurate againts a moving target with a defective scope i hope people with a high or a good IQ have some sense that that cannot happend. Six the same day osawlds was given a nitrate test that day, and it showed he didnt even fire a gun that day how is that possible, since he fired the rifle that killed the president. WALLON you need to look at the depruda film a bit closer because i see you lack learning effiancy and lack of observation when you look at the presidents head going backwards not forward indicating shots from the front, walloon take a good look at john connellys wrist and his motions during the assination and you would see that there is more then one shooter, even JOHN CONNELLY STATES THAT HE WAS HIT BY A DIFFERENT BULLET THEN THE BULLET THAT HIT THE PRESIDENT RMEMBERS SPECTORS MAGIC BULLET THEORY, JOHN CONNELLY TOLD THE WARREN COMMISSION THAT HE FELT THERE WAS MORE THEN ONE SHOOTER IMBOLVED HE TOLD THAT TO A FEW NEWS REPORTERS, WHY WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZEPRUDAR FILM LITTLE CLOSELY WALLOON AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT SO MANY OTHERS HAVED SEEN A BIG LIE.

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Actually walloon kennedys head goes backwards not forward indicating a shot from the fron, even the house on assassination committee said there was more then one shooter imvolved . Second walloon you havent explain to me that about 80 percent of the witness said they heard shots come from the grassy knoll. 3rd point: Sam Holland, a track supervisor for the union terminal,rail road company, told the warren commission HE HEARD THREE TO FOUR SHOTS THAT CAME FROM THE TREES ON THE GRASS KNOLL ITS WELL STATED ON THE WARREN REPORT HE SAW A PUFF OF SMOKE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ELM STREET.JAMES TAGUE IN AN INVERVIEW WITH JIM MARRS ON CROSSFIRE SAID WHEN THE SHOTS WERE FIRED, HE IMMEDIATELY THAUGHT, WHOS THE NUT THROWING THE FIRECRACKERS? HOWVER, AFTER HEARING MORE SHOTS, HE REALIZED WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND DUCKED BEHINED THE CORNER OF THE UNDERPASS.HE SAID THE SHOTS WERE COMING FROM THE AREA OF THE GRASSY KNOLL ” BEHINED THE CONCRETE MONUMENT.” TAGUE WAS WATCHING A POLICEMAN RUN UP THE GRASSY KNOLL WITH A DRAWN PISTOL WHEN ANTHER POLICEMAN CAME UP TO ASK HIM WHAT AHPPEND? I DONT KNOW.” MUMBLED THE SHOCKED TAGUE. JAMES TAGUE WAS THE MAN STANDING JUST BEFORE THE TRIPLE UNDER PASS HE WAS STROKE ON THE CHEEK BONE THATS SHOWN ON THE ZEPRUDER FILM. ABRAHAM ZEPRUDER HIM SELF TOLD THE WARREN COMMISSION AND FOUR SEPRATE OCCASIONS THAT HE THOUGHT SHOTS CAME FROM BEHINED HIM IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PICKET FENCE ON THE GRASSY KNOLL. ZEPRUDER TOLD THE WARREN COMMISSION THAT HE TOLD A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER THAT THE SHOTS HE HEARD CAME FROM BEHINED TEH PICKET FENCE. READ THE WARREN REPORT ON ZERPRUDERS STATEMENTS AND READ JIM MARRN BOOK CROSS FIRE. ON PAGE 66 ON ABRAHAM ZEPRUDERS STATEMENTS. IT STATES ON JIM MARRS ON PAGE 86 THAT BOTH POLICE CHIEF JESSE CURRY OREDERD THERE MEN TO RUSH TO THE RAILROAD YARDS BEHIND THE GRASSY KNOLL, THAT INCLUDES SHERIFE DECKER. THERE STATEMENTS ARE ALSO STATED IN THE WARREN REPORT. JIM MARRS WRITES PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE DEPOSITORY THOUGHT SHOTS CAME FROM DOWN NEAR THE TRIPLE UNDERPASS. OHTERS SUCH AS A.J MILLICAN, THE JOHN CHISMS, AND JEAN NEWMAN, WHO WERE STANDING BETWEEN THE DEPOSITORY AND THE UNDERPASS, BELIEVED THE SHOTS CAME FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. SOME OF THERE STATEMENTS CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN THE WARREN REPORT. AND THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITEE ON ASSASSINATIONS.

According to J.C. price, a dallas roofing worker, said that the folling the volley of shots he ” saw one man run towards the passnger cars on the railroad siding… he had something in his hand. WRITES JIM GARRISON ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS ON PAGE 16. O.V. CAMPBELL, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOOK DEPOSITORY, SAID THE SHOOTING CAME FROME THE GRASSY AREA DOWN THIS WAY.INDICATING THE DIRECTION IN WHICH THE MOTORCADE HAD BEEN HEADED ONCE IT PASSED THE BOOK DEPOSITORY. HE SAID, I HEAR SHOTS BEING FROM A POINT I THOUGH WAS NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WRITES JIM GARRISON ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS ON PAGE 17. MR. SMITH… A TRAFFIC OFFICER AT THE INTERSECTION OF ELM AND HOUSTON STREETSWHO WAS TOLD BY A WOMEN THAT THE SHOOTING WAS COMING FROM THE BUSHES THEN MR SMITH LEFT THE AREA WHERE HE AHD BEEN STATIONED AND WENT UP ON THE KNOLL BEHIND THE SOCKADE FENCE ON TOP HIS ACCOUNT, RESPONDING TO QUESTION FROM THE WARREN COMMISSION COUNSEL WESLEY J. LIEBELR: I PULLED OUT MY PISTOL FROM MY HOLSTER AND I THOUGHT THIS IS SILLY, I DONT KNOW WHO I AM LOOKING FOR, AND I PUT IT BACK JUST AS I DID, HE SHOWED ME THAT HE WAS A SECRET SERVICE AGENT. HOWVER, ACCORDING TO THE WARREN COMMISSION REPORT, ALL OF THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS ASSIGNED TO THE PARADE HAD GONE ALONGWITH IT EN ROUTE TO THE HOSPITAL. THE SECRET SERVICE WERE ON RECORD THAT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF ITS AGENTS WAS AT THE SCENE OF THE ASSASSINATION, OTHER THAN THOSE PASSING THROUGH UB THE MOTORCADE- AND ALL OF THEM WERE GONE IN MINUTES. WRITES JIM GARRISON ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS ON PAGE 22,23. HERE IS A STATEMENT GIVEN TO THE WARREN REPORT BY A FREIEND OF OSWALD IN THE MARINE CORPS, HIS NAME IS WILSON DELGADO. HERE IS LIEBELER: YOU TOLD THE F.B.I. THAT IN YOUR OPINION OSWALD WAS NOT A GOOD RIFLE SHOT, IS THAT CORRECT
DELGADO REPLIED:YES.
LIEBELER:AND THAT HE DID NOT SHOW ANY UNUSUAL INTEREST IN HIS RIFLE, AND IN FACT APPEARED LESS INTEREST IN WEAPONS THAN THE AVERAGE MARINE?
DELGADO: YES, HE WAS MOSTLY A THINKER, A READER. HE READ A QUITE BIT.
YOU CAN FIND HIS STATEMENTS ON THE WARREN REPORT AND ON JIM GARRISONS ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS PAGE 51. IN THE SUMMERY PAGE 457 JIM MARRS WRITES PEOPLE INDICATED THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY AS THE SOURCE OF SHOTS,THE MAJORITY OF WITNESSES IN DEALEY PLAZA BEILEVED SHOTS CAME FROME THE GRASSY KNOLL. JIM MARRS WRITES ON CROSS FIRE PAGE 457. READ JIM MARRS PAGE 320 ON THE WERE ABOUT OF THE SECRET SERVICE THAT DAY IN DEALY PLAZA ON CROSS FIRE. READ ROGER CRAIG STORY ON HOW WENT UP THE GRASSY KNOLL ALONG WITH A FEW CIVILIANS, WHERE THEY SAID THEY HEARD SHOTS BEING FIRED FROM THE GRASS KNOLL ALSO YOU CAN FIND THAT REPORT THE WARREN COMMISSION testimony and on jim marrs book on cross fire, and jim garrisons book on the trail of the assassins. i will go back to the zeprudar film later walloon i haved stated facts a from sources and i have plenty more fire power where that came from.

i guess i deliverd a knockout punch to walloon.

Yo Walloon, that’s a well crafted but fictive version of what actually happened regarding Oswald’s paraffin test. It’s amazing how many apologists there have been over the years, including such luminaries as Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Norman Mailer – all of whom know for sure Oswald acted alone. Perhaps you too decided to ingest the Kool Aid?

For starters, the mass of conflicting evidence and shoddy police work leave plenty of doubts even for true believers such as yourself. Why pretend otherwise? But the core issue – one commonly used in court cases over the years – has been the parrafin test, which detects the use of a weapon. It has often been the deciding bit of evidence determing guilt or acquital in murder cases.

In Oswald’s case, his negative parrafin test would’ve assuredly led to a reasonable doubt about his guilt. You refer only to the use of a rifle, however, he was also accused of shooting officer Tippet with a handgun on his walk to the movie theater where he was picked up. Had he done that, and fired the rifle as well, there would’ve been residue on his hands. But there wasn’t, which led numerous lawyers at the time to speculate that he would’ve been found not guilty in a trail – reason enough to have him killed.

And his record for marksman status is easily available. Turns out he was good, not great. Not great enough to see through the tree that obstructed his view that day, which was subsequently chopped down. Not great enough so that he could use a notoriously unreliable mail-order rifle and accurately hit the President at least twice. Not great enough to have outwitted a cop and shot him cold on the street for no apparent reason.

The facts, no matter how you cut them, just don’t add up. The event remains a mystery except to those who have or have had first-hand information. Sadly, Hunt’s inexplicable diagram only confuses the issue rather than settling it.

tipmyhat i haved confronted walloon on this issue oswald came up negetive on his nitrate tests show that, that rifle wasnt even fired that day the one that oswald used to kill oswald, walloon also shows, he is igrnorant he says there was no shooter in the grassy knoll i haved also proved him wrong i this occasion. my post might be a bit long but its accurate according to peoples testimony. walloon wont even address it.

walloon only has the warren report for his evidence but, that report has been scrapped from top to bottom by the likes of jim garrison and many other researchers that i dont think the government even believes it anymore like flecther prouty wrote on his book on. the SECRET TEAM most people in the pentagon thought the warren report was fiction.

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All conspiracy theories aside, there is only ONE THING that people need to keep in mind about the assassination of JFK: All of the Dallas doctors stated that Kennedy had a bullet ENTRY wound in his throat, about 3mm to 4mm in width. A tiny incision was made through it for a tracheostomy. By time his body arrives for autopsy this tiny entry wound, with a tiny slit through it has become a large gapping wound with a vertical slice. An entry wound to the throat means a shooter was in front and to the right of him.

All conspiracy theories aside, there is only ONE THING that people need to keep in mind about the assassination of JFK: All of the Dallas doctors stated that Kennedy had a bullet ENTRY wound in his throat, about 3mm to 4mm in width. A tiny incision was made through it for a tracheostomy. By time his body arrives for autopsy this tiny entry wound, with a tiny slit through it has become a large gapping wound with a vertical slice. An entry wound to the throat means a shooter was in front and to the right of him.

Why was JFK killed? Who benefitted? Who had the power to cover it up? All roads lead to LBJ. Rumors were flying around DC that Johnson was going to be dumped from the ticket in ‘64 in favor of another Texan–John Connally. It was no secret that Bobby Kennedy hated LBJ and as JFK’s closest advisor wanted Johnson out. Connally was both a popular Democratic Texas Governor and another one of LBJ’s rivals. Our final question was: Who had the power to cover it up? It was LBJ who appointed the members of the Warren Commission.

First, claiming that there were no bystanders in front of the grassy knoll at the moment of Kennedy’s murder is flatly incorrect. A military man on leave not only was there, but dived to the ground when he heard a gunshot whiz past his right ear, (fired from the fenced area of the knoll). He was interviewed extensively for “The Men Who Killed Kennedy”, the six- part A&E series, (also found as a BBC version). This is one among numerous, exigent and deliberately ignored issues by the Warren Commission. In fact, one of the several solid accounts directly disputing the all important “single bullet theory” and “no conspiracy” sine qua non in the commission’s endorsement of “the Official Story”.
Second, key bono… who stood to benefit? The mafia felt betrayed when John’s brother, Robert, (the Attorney General), went on a vigorous anti-mafia crusade after the Kennedy administration took power and got down to business. The mafia was largely responsible for widespread voter fraud in Chicago in order to put Illinois in the Kennedy column, barely sealing his victory over Richard M Nixon. Largely overlooked, immediately after his brother’s murder, Robert abandoned his campaign to destroy the mafia.
After he failed to support the CIA’s unapproved Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, John Kennedy privately threatened to disband the CIA and “scatter their remains to the wind”. Not the best band of state sponsored outlaws to cross. If any organization on the planet, (then as now), was capable of the assassination of any person or group of it’s choice, on American soil or elsewhere, the CIA is a compelling suspect. Means, motive and opportunity on a platter.
Key components in the US military, and powerful weapons manufacturers in general, (widely referred to as the Military Industrial Complex), desperately wanted a war in southeast Asia. (It had been fully 10 years since the Korean conflict had ended). Kennedy had clearly indicated that he was unlikely to play ball.
Any or all of these suspects are reasonable, on their own, and most compelling, in concert. However, remarkably well buried in the historic record, is LBJ’s near certain involvement in the murder of an old Texas political rival and potential blackmailer. Johnson was widely feared and known to be the epitome of the ruthless, megalomaniacal, well connected southern politician who had nothing less than a psychotic obsession with becoming president. In fact, his sudden decision not to seek, nor accept his party’s nomination for a second term in 1968 may very well have been in response to an ultimatum delivered by his numerous skeletons.
Losing his party’s nomination, and understandably being relegated to the subservient role as number two to his young, northern superior was nothing short of an insult.
Johnson, among the common sense suspects in Kennedy’s demise, is the only figure capable of circumventing well established secret service presidential protection protocols in Dallas, (his home state), controlling and modifying the crime scene, (the presidential limo, Kennedy’s body and it’s transport from Dallas), and most importantly, Johnson was the sole authority in the choice of the Warren Commission’s members, (many of which were Kennedy’s antagonists). Undeniably and realistically amounting to a conspiracy organized to mask a conspiracy.
Important addendum: Key bono any or all of the miraculous coincidences leading to and surrounding the attacks on 911 according to the 911 Commission. Especially key evidence relegated to footnotes or simply ignored: The CIA and/or Mossad as means. PNAC as the motive. Cheney as the opportunity.

William Greer fired the fatal head shot that killed JFK. Watch the stabilized Zapruder film over and over. Keep an eye on Greer’s hands as he turns toward JFK the second time. And while it is impossible to see a clearly defined weapon, it is very clear that Greer is staring directly at JFK and his left hand is off the steering wheel holding something black. (And no, I’m not talking about William Cooper’s claim about a nickel plated gun. That is actually Kellerman’s head. If you watch for Greer’s left hand movement, you’ll see that his hand stays low.) A masterful use of a backup shooter and an incident that demonstrates how the powerful elite behind our political figures can utilize even those sworn to protect the president as agents of assassination. No one would ever believe that a SS agent could get away with such a crime in plain view. However, that is exactly what happened.

president kennedy committed suicde in dealey plaza,he was the manchurian candidate who was programmed to obey. but his mind control programming was faulty.he shot himself under the chin using a special fountian pen containing a.45 cal. mercury filled bullet.oswald was shooting at connally.this new mind control technique is in use in iraq …suicide bombers.suicide is a perfected weapon as of 1963.

I have resided in Europe for over 20 years, and we are very very keen on Amerika´s dirty deeds. Call it revanchism for destroying our civilization in WWII.
French intelligence agents have film evidence, televised to millions, showing Bush Sr in Dallas, Dan Rather on the bridge among others present. Kennedy´s head photos, autopsy, in a documentary were shown multiple times to tens of millions throughout Europe. The back of his head was gone, about 30 % OR 40% of the skull and mauch brain tissue missing as well. Also, the front shows no throat photo.
For us it is evident it was a coup de tat, orchestrated by CIA elements. I also know of an American General who said, this quote comes directly to myself through his daughter with whom I studied with in the 90´s at a university in Europe. She said, her father wanted to do to Clinton what they did to Kennedy, I interpreted this at the time to mean, eliminate him. Bill Clinton was hated in the military, often I overheard officers openly calling for his execution. Also,
the motivators behind this were the Israelis, their main motive was to stop Kennedy from blocking their nuclear weapons aquisition, through mossad-Cia elements. This is not featured squarely in 99.9% of what is available publicly. The assassins are known, there is film footage and France usually blackmails easily to manipulate Rockefellers to do their bidding. Who controls Amerika, Rothschilds and Mossad secretly, who controls the CIA, the Mossad, who controls the Mossad, the Rothschilds, and who controls the controlers, the Federation, …i.e. direct operatives via Bush Sr. and Rockefeller, blackbudget, Project Monarch and many other crimes against humanity.

I have resided in Europe for over 20 years, and we are very very keen on Amerika´s dirty deeds. Call it revanchism for destroying our civilization in WWII.
French intelligence agents have film evidence, televised to millions, showing Bush Sr in Dallas, Dan Rather on the bridge among others present. Kennedy´s head photos, autopsy, in a documentary were shown multiple times to tens of millions throughout Europe. The back of his head was gone, about 30 % OR 40% of the skull and mauch brain tissue missing as well. Also, the front shows no throat photo.
For us it is evident it was a coup de tat, orchestrated by CIA elements. I also know of an American General who said, this quote comes directly to myself through his daughter with whom I studied with in the 90´s at a university in Europe. She said, her father wanted to do to Clinton what they did to Kennedy, I interpreted this at the time to mean, eliminate him. Bill Clinton was hated in the military, often I overheard officers openly calling for his execution. Also,
the motivators behind this were the Israelis, their main motive was to stop Kennedy from blocking their nuclear weapons aquisition, through mossad-Cia elements. This is not featured squarely in 99.9% of what is available publicly. The assassins are known, there is film footage and France usually blackmails easily to manipulate Rockefellers to do their bidding. Who controls Amerika, Rothschilds and Mossad secretly, who controls the CIA, the Mossad, who controls the Mossad, the Rothschilds, and who controls the controlers, the Federation, …i.e. direct operatives via Bush Sr. and Rockefeller, blackbudget, Project Monarch and many other crimes against humanity.

Walloon, you are CIA.

I stopped posting here in June after a series of unexplained events occurred in my life.

What did I say to make you mad? Mrs. Kennedy’s secretary quoted the former First Lady at JFK’s funeral proceedings, and what she said to the Soviet representative present at the funeral services. “Tell Mr. Kruschev (however you spell it or whatever his name is” that there will be no world peace now”

Made you mad huh. Here is one for you. There is a book out there I read a decade ago (I forget the authors name, but I think I seen it in the credits of the movie JFK). The book ends (its been 10 years, so my numbers may not be accurate but you get the idea) giving a listing of people that were in Deally Plaza Nov ‘63, that died of unnatural causes in a period less than 5 years after JFK was killed. The number is crazy, like 200 people , that witnessed the assassination, died within 5 years. If there were 800 people in the plaza at the time, what are the odds of 200 of them dying accidentally within 5 years? I propose, that the CIA chose the witnesses that would be alive today to backup their cover story.

Stop posting bad stuff about the CIA people. I am telling you, they are looking you up too. And if they cant screw with you, they will screw with those you love.

Prove me wrong CIA. Face to face. If you got the balls.

Everything I have read that is negative about the CIA since I stopped posting in June, I believe is 100% true. And it would take GOD HIMSELF to tell me I am wrong to prove me wrong.

I propose, that this forum, shows them the mistakes they made so they know what mistakes to avoid in the future, and I urge that you all stop posting.

John

P.S. An interesting note. In Jan 2004, I posted at John Kerry’s message forum (which was taken down not long after my very strong accusations of Bush falsifying intelligence to go into Iraq, my exact words were, he needed small condoms and made up for it by going into Iraq) outlines on screw ups by the intelligence community and Bush administration. This year is not the first time I have had a series of unexplained events in my life. Try Jan 2004 as well.

What makes me tremble, what really scares me, is this crap about Bush Sr. in Dallas in Nov 63. I do not believe that is true, and it would be HARD to prove it to me, even with pictures. BUT, if it IS true…. someones comment about a shadow government still in place, scares the hell out of me. To the point, that, we should all be afraid for our lives , to speak out against those in power. And those above the law.

First off, my posted name is the level of shooter I was in the Marine corp and the number is the score I made which, under the older score system,is “Rifle Expert”! God!Reading all the comment’s is exzausting!First thing,I have alway’s felt personally that a conspiracy is what killed Kennedy without question!Perfessionally, as a Parris Island and Quantico trained Marine, I have alway’s shook my head at the notion that “anyone” could,with that piece of junk Italian rifle,in addition to a messed up scope,and…,in addition to those two,a “just average” shooter,which Oswald was, could of pulled off the shooting!Friend’s….,listen to me for a minute! That shot from the SBD is not an impossible one by no mean’s! However, it is a VERY difficult one to make.The point is this….,many “world class” shooter’s have attempted to shoot at that same angle and were successful! That’s the WHOLE ARGUMENT…Oswald was in no way shape or form a …”World Class”,olympic caliber type shooter! The degree of difficulty from shooting at the SBD is really high!And shooting a moving target is tougher then the average person has any idea of!I was a rifle coach one time at Quantico and ..my god, I saw well trained,fleet Marines miss a perfectly still target from only a couple of hundred feet away!And believe me folk’s,…we were not using any Oswald type rifle’s!I assure ya! Yes,the position and angle from the SBD window is more difficult then someone who posted ealier stated. To hit a moving target at a distance and and sideway’s require’s some real talent and a degree of real skill!Something that NO ONE has ever made mention of is…assanation of a leader,especially the President, is an extreamly stressful and pressure ridden thing to do!! Peple dont seem to take into consideration ANY of that! The type of shooting that killed the President was one done by very skilled individual’s! That…we all MUST know and accept.And the record speak’s for itself…Oswald was no world class expert!One who is trained to assinate is not average by any stretch of the imagination. simply a average shooter or above shooter could not of made that series of shot’s with the type of accuracy that was made! Not under that kind of presure and intense stress! No way!!!! Semper Fi!

It was a slow work day, and Oswald just happened to have his rifle with him, and decided to clean it, when it went off by accident killing the President, and hehad no idea what had happened. Its also strange how Ruby’s pistol went off by accident also as Oswald was being transfered to a new jail.

Oswald did it, yet there never were any bullets found in his apartment, or anyone saw him shooting the weapon, and the reason they picked him up that day was he didn’t return back to work, nobody returned back to work that day, nation wide.

my family that were there remember LBJ wanted to be president so bad he do anything ?

i have no problem at all believing lbj was involved. he had to be one of the most depraved, degenerate men we’ve ever had the misfortune of seeing in the white house. he certainly had the most to gain and the means and the money. when i. saw that interview with his ex mistress it sent chills down my spine. and if bobby kennedy hadn’t challenged him in ‘68, we would’ve had another four years of that creep. and of course poor bobby died too because of that bastard. i hated him

i have no problem at all believing lbj was involved. he had to be one of the most depraved, degenerate men we’ve ever had the misfortune of seeing in the white house. he certainly had the most to gain and the means and the money. when i. saw that interview with his ex mistress it sent chills down my spine. and if bobby kennedy hadn’t challenged him in ‘68, we would’ve had another four years of that creep. and of course poor bobby died too because of that bastard. i hated him

if anybody knows, please answer.who made the decision to take jfk’s body back to washinton immediately? it technically was a criminal case, and if the chain of evidence hadn’t been broken by taking the body out if the jurisdiction of the local coroner, a hell of a lot of confusion could have been avoided. was the decision made by the secret service? the autopsy should have been performed by the local authorities before the body was released instead it was flown all the way back to washington where the autopsy is done by two navy pathologists who have never done an autopsy on a gunshot victim.so much forensic evidence was lost in the interim,even if oswald had gone to trial it would have been impossible to convict. but of course i believe he really was “just a patsy”

Hello Joan M.,I want to say I dont know who it was who basically ordered the agent’s to “take” kennedy’s body away from the care of the doctors at that Dallas hospital. However, that,as we all know, was just one of countless strange and spooky things that went on that whole day! Ya know what I say Joan..?,somewhere…,somewhere someone know’s that answer! I was born in Bethesda Maryland,where the Navy hospital is and that whole area is just loaded with mysterious going on’s! Take Care Joan m.

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Anyone who thinks Oswald was the lone assassin is an idiot. If you watch the Zapruder film you can clearly see that Connally was not hit with the bullet that struck JFK in the throat. He is turning to look at JFK. Then when he is turning back you can see he is hit. So that is two bullets with another one missing and one hitting Kennedy in the head. So there was 2 shooters.
Nellie Connally, who was sitting next to her husband in the presidential limousine, always maintained that two bullets struck John F. Kennedy and a third hit her husband. “The first sound, the first shot, I heard, and turned and looked right into the President’s face. He was clutching his throat, and just slumped down. He Just had a – a look of nothingness on his face. He-he didn’t say anything. But that was the first shot. The second shot, that hit John – well, of course, I could see him covered with – with blood, and his – his reaction to a second shot. The third shot, even though I didn’t see the President, I felt the matter all over me, and I could see it all over the car.”

John Connally agreed with his wife: “Beyond any question, and I’ll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me. The third bullet did not hit me.” As the Warren Commission concluded there also was a bullet that missed the car entirely. Some conspiracy theorists argue that if three bullets struck the men, as the Connallys insisted, and a fourth missed, then there must have been a second gunman because no one person could have fired four rounds from Oswald’s bolt-action rifle so quickly

John F. Kennedy wanted peace in a ugly world that preferred death and destruction. He wanted out of Vietnam. He ordered the military to disarm the CIA. His vice president had a manical desire to be president. His brother was hounding the mob. He paid the ultimate price. With all of today’s new and mis-leading evidence, the beat goes on. If he could speak to us now he might surely say.. “You will never catch the head’s, chasing the tails.”

there was a dallas cop i dont know his name he was there at the shooting ,he raided thestripper-Candy Barr, then was blown up in an explosion ? The club teamsters? Can someone put all these 2gether??

I read in the past that it was LBJ who insisted that JFKs body be place aboard AF1 before he would allow the plane to take off from Dallas.I believe the secret service acted according to his wishes..I am confident I could locate the reference in my files.
—-This does support the point of the article and Hunt’s son’s information. BUT, left hanging is, if EHH backed away, what was he doing in Dallas?
Why has this not been picked up by the mainstream press??? I located this by surfing “Kerry Thornley’ and then hit a link to E.Howard Hunt(who I had not ‘clicked on’ for several years).

J.F.K was killed by more than one person.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.

His rifle was found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository.

Three shells were found there as well.

All bullets and fragments were indisputably linked to the rifle.

While many witnesses felt shots may have been fired from the grassy knoll based on sound, no one, NO ONE, saw a gunman firing on the grassy knoll. No one saw anyone flee the scene from the grassy knoll either.

It is long past time people accepted what is true about this case. Oswald acted alone!

LBJ locked the files away for 75 years, would not permit anyone to inspect JFK’s limo for bullet holes etc., lbj appointed the warren omission, called the DA to tell him to prosecute only oswald, that there was no one else. LBJ told his mistress, the night before, that Kennedy was going to be hit. Google: Albert thomas Wink) That will result in a photo that shows lbj and congress man thomas, lbj houston buddy, winking and smiling just after lbj takes the oath right after the killing.

Phys evid. part of JFK’s skull was fgound in the grass to rear and left of where he was hit, indicating shot from right-front. Jackie kennedy retrieved piece of skull off of the back of the limo, shot from front. All 30 medical personnel at parkland said that there was a massive exit wound in JFK’s rear head and entrance wound in front neck, with wound in back also. Hit from different directions.

Oswald failed a nitrate test, indicating he shot NOBODY that day. He was just a fall guy. Witnesses had him on second floor during shooting. Backyard photos implicating oswald are clear forgeries, shadows do not match and his chin is suddenly flat, instead of his real pointy chin. Oswald was in intel, that’s why he learned to speak russian while in the marines, and it was cia-types that set him up, which is the key to ascertaining who did it. Who set up oswald? Cia did it and lbj was in on it, and agreed to go along with expanding Vietnam war like cia and pentagon wanted as a quid pro quo. JFK and CIA were at loggerheads and it was bitter. Read “On the Trail of The Assassins” and “Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy” and watch the documentary “The Men Who Killed Kennedy”

Rick,

You, and people like you, are ignorant beyond words.

The evidence that it could not possibly have been Oswald is overwhelming. Only close-minded fools like you refuse to believe it because it is not comfortable for you to accept the truth.

Walloon….dont know what extent of knowledge you have in dealing with issues of discovery, but removal of key forensic evidence in a murder investigation is tampering with evidence, and since there is no limit on statute of prosecution of murder, let alone a high-profile murder, than I find it extremely suspect that the A T T O R N E Y G E N E R A L would remove the brain which could point toward solving the case….remember, it was only theory that Oswald was the shooter…there was no trial which convicted him of it.

Unlocking the door to the JFK murder will unlock the door to much more sinister goings-on of our government, and the dominoes will fall fast and hard. That is why the secret is so jealously guarded, and if it remains up to the powers that be, we will never know the truth.

So much is known about JFK’s killers, the destruction of evidence, the silencing of witnesses, the murder of witnesses, the obfuscation of the truth, and at the core, the murder of a hugely popular president, in broad daylight, with thousands of witnesses. Yet they continue to tell us that we didn’t actually hear what we thought we heard; we made a mistake, we’re wrong, and they’re right.

If we are ever to rise above this corruption and misuse of power, and take back what is ours, and what JFK perhaps tried to preserve for us, we will never be able to. He was killed for very specific reasons, and I although I agree that LBJ probably had an axe or two to grind with JFK, and wouldn’t have cried over it once he died, it still doesn’t seem to me that he was the last word – even being the president. The CIA has had vast power and influence over so many aspects of our lives since its inception, and its methods are brutal and insidious.

Imagine what we would have been like if he had lived. And imagine the hubris of his killers, taking comfort in the fact that they got away with it, and that we, the people, haven’t been able to do anything about it.

At Gerald Ford’s funeral George H.W.Bush praised him for his great work on the Warren Commission. Is this another ‘dot’ to add when trying to connect them?

Oswald did not shoot anyone.First of all he did not have the right weapon. Oswald was gullible which allowed him to get placed in the position he was placed in. The weapon he alledgedy used was a low-quality rife that would not have inflicted the type of damage to JFK’s head. Nor did any magic bullet cause 7 wounds to him and John Connally. I know they proved in a physics labs and on computers that it coud have happened but Kennedy was not killed in a physics lab nor a computer, he was killed on a street in broad daylight. The Warren Confiction knew that Oswald did not kill JFK nor Officer Tippit. Osawld was never given “due process”. His execution was allowed in the Dallas police station to keep him from talking.

george noory will tell the truth
next week about the JFK asassination.stay tuned.

george noory will tell the truth
next week about the JFK asassination.stay tuned.

our leaders want us to believe a whack job killed jfk and then a whack job killed oswald.Nice to try to pack it away and forget about it.americans need to press for more truth and lock up the bastards that did it like some of the people who still work for the united states of america

What’s Cord Meyer got to say about this?

BK

Meyer held court at the beginning of February 2001 – six weeks before his death – in the barren dining room of a Washington nursing home. Propped up in a chair, his glass eye bulging, he struggled to hold his head aloft. Although he was no longer able to read, the nurses supplied him with a daily copy of The Washington Post, which he carried with him wherever he went. “My father died of a heart attack the same year Mary was killed,” he whispered. “It was a bad time.” And what could he say about Mary Meyer? Who had committed such a heinous crime? “The same sons of bitches,” he hissed, “that killed John F. Kennedy.”

I suspect Rick’s 7/11/2008 foolish comments are not from ignorance but deliberately selective… (And yes, people DID “see” shots from the grassy knoll).

Anyway, yes, it’s funny how even “60 Minutes” was told not to touch this story by CBS even though they had verified the voice and handwriting of Hunt.

Even though most of the conspirators are dead (LBJ, the Texas oil guys, the mob kingpins, Richard Helms, and Hoover who used the FBI to manipulate the Warren Commission), the story of the media’s continued COMPLICITY in the cover-up is now the more important story.

The one issue the media today wont deal with (at least until the economic meltdown in the last few months) is corporate corruption and its influence on all levels of government. Why? Because the media of course is owned by such institutions.

Dealing honstly with the JFK assassination threatens to topple that house of cards, and they have no interest in doing so. Which is the REAL reasons JFK’s death still haunts this culture.

The news media will only stop arbitrarily accepting every bogus piece of data that appears to “confirm” the Lone Nut scenario (while completely and selectively disregarding everything contradictory to that) once such corporate influence is no longer a problem.

So don’t hold your breath.

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James DiEugenio and Lisa Pease wrote a mindblowing book called The Assassinations, about four political assassinations in the sixties: the murder of JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X.
It provides you literally hundreds of pages of evidence that the government, the FBI and the CIA were deeply involved.
Read this book if you can handle the truth about the dirty essence of US politics and power in those (and these…) days.
The truth is cruel indeed.

Bring up “The Captain’s Polygraph” on the Google search engine for treason against JFK

The CIA..has got you all RATTLED
& BAMBOOZLED !!!

We can all speculate til DOOMSDAY !

Everything is right B4 our eyes,
We Don’t Believe,
We JUST don’t want to KNOW

Good work! Thank you very much! I always wanted to write in my blog something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog? Of course, I will add backlink?

This JFK thing is so wild and crazy that it defies logic. Anybody who’s read any of the books from Marrs to Posner to Bugliosi color their arguments any way they want. Could Oswald have done it? Maybe. Could he have been a patsy. Maybe, but probably not.
The bottom line is that Oswald was either the goofiest sob on the planet or 007. Which one was he? If he was the former, then he got incredibly lucky. If he was the latter, then he had help.

And another thing: These CIA guys may have had their hands in a ton of things, but how many of them worked out the way they were supposed to? Watergate seems to me to be the shining example of how NOT to plan a covert operation. So did they just have a bad day or were they capable of such a mammouth undertaking such as the assassination of JFK was.

JFK’s murder was just such a brutal act that we automatically ascribe all sorts of skulduggery to it. But if you’ve ever been to Dallas you know tht Dealey Plaza’s not that big and the fence isn’t that high and the trees are not that thick. It’s almost impossible to think that someone shot a gun from the grassy knoll without being directly seen by SOMEBODY. And i’m not talking about a few seconds later or after running up the stairs or the grass. It’s way too wide open . Somebody would have seen.

As much as we all might hate to admit it, the passage of time tells us that Oswald probably did it and probably did it alone. He learned the skills in the Marines,
had his disaffection with society ingrained in his pathetic life and reacted in a way an immature, embittered loser does; violence. He just got a shot at the big prize. Unfortunate, but probably true (notice I say probably)
Because the bottom line is, no one will ever be able to say for sure. And as long as someone can write a book about it, we never will be allowed to forget. One wonders what the 100th anniversary of the Kennedy Assassination will look like.

Only clowns think Oswald acted alone or even had anything to do with this.
Oswald was a patriot who thought he was working undercover for the CIA, taking on the role of a pro Communist to infiltrate Castro-run Cuba or as a double agent in Russia. This is UNDENIABLE when you take the time to study the facts.
He was then cynically used by the CIA and the secret government of the United States (the oil barons and the military-industrial complex) to take the fall for the whole thing. Ruby was patsy number two, who was about to be rubbed out by the mob. Only by killing Oswald could he wipe his slate clean.

The idiot who writes under the name “Rick” on this thread is one of the reasons the Kennedy assassination has gone under-investigated for so long. Too many dumbasses like “Rick” who believe everything they’re told. I knew Kennedy was shot from the front by the time I was in my teens. Get real, idiots.

Everything Peter McKrinski says here, too, seems to be the same old crap (e.g, “As much as we all might hate to admit it, the passage of time tells us that Oswald probably did it and probably did it alone.”)

Godalmighty.

Th e assassination and who did it has been known for years, and it wasn’t Oswald. But if you guys are gettig your “facts” from Posner, Bugliosi or those awful mcadams/spartacus/dave’s/jfkon line websites, all of which insist the conspiracy scenario has been “completely de-bunked” (their favorite phrase) then God help us.

The maintenance of the cover-up for nearly half-a-century is why it could all happen again.

In the days of Camelot, Inocence was mine,Right and wrong was measured acoss a very thin line,We put our trust in the future never knowing why,But to feed the secret team J,F,K. would have to die,have to dieeeeee.[2] Cia’s in a panic,Now what are we gonna do,Miami’s a no go fbi knows it too we got friends down in Texas ‘help us get the job done,all we need is a patsy with a traceable gun,traceable gunnnnnn [3] Six Seconds In Dallas,cold blooded Coup’De Tat, Simply High Treason trianguler Crossfire,Executive Action, On the Trail Of The assassins, my heart will never rest until the truth comes out.Break;[ Somber piano plays in background] Let justice be done ,Or let the heavens fall, This man was born to be the King of us all But on this country’s darkest day They blew young Jacks life away let justice be down or let the heaven’s fall [Break] Lead Break [4]I’m sorry I forgot the last verse

Here is what we know and we really cannot know anything else. JFK was killed. The autopsy was performed by and inexperienced doctor who did not even bother to follow the path of the bullet holes. He burned the original autopsy report by his own admission. The investigation was conducted by a group of men who had been fired or were at odds with JFK. The evidence was gathered by the same man that gathered the information into the deaths of RFK and Martin Luther King. J. Edgar Hoover hated all of the above people, like Howard Hunt a “super patriot”. There is no reason to believe any of the evidence put forward by a bunch of people with motives to kill JFK, RFK and MLK. So we don’t know anything more than we did on November 22, 1963. We never will. No one that thinks they know anything about this will ever know. It was a group of folks put together to make sure no one would know anything. This story makes no sense to me because too many people were involved. Too open to screw-ups, but I have no doubt someone in this list did know the story. Conspiracy researchers just provide cover for the guilty. If the exact truth is ever told, no one will ever believe it anyway. The issue is as dead as JFK.

After I ordered and received the almost new documentary dvd, “The Grassy Knoll,” and went to the web-site, http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com, I began to realize that up to that time, I was really not as up to date on the evidence in the Kennedy assassination as I once thought I was.

The difference between the now 67 year old prisoner at Stateville Prison, Joliet, Illinois, and the rest of those people who “came forward and said they were the shooter behind the fence on the knoll, is just one big one to me.

The FBI and a private investigative firm in Dallas that pressed the FBI to get more, on “Jr.” “Junior” was the CIA nickname for one James Sutton from Chicago. Jimmy was a former Army Special Ops explosives and “mechanical assassination” expert as a young man.

He had done something against his own men that could have gotten him executed after his Court-Martial trial. He committed an act of high treason against two of his own men. (In a dare with Laotian soldiers he was training to kill Communists in the Pathet Lao.)

David Atlee Phillips of the CIA went over to visit with Jimmy and had him put into a psych treatment facility for a few months, which led to Jimmy’s release and return to the USA. He rejoined his buddies in the Chicago O.C. “family.” He met up with Charles Nicoletti, went down to Florida to train anti-Castro Cubans for the CIA. He met people like Frank Sturgis, David Sanchez Morales, Edward Lansdale, and Alpha 66 leader, Antonio Veciana.

Some of these people you may recall were listed by St. John Hunt’s father, E. Howard Hunt. Jimmy worked training Cuban exiles in explosives use and triangulated (mechanical) assassination. When the CIA brought in more experienced trainers under Allen Dulles, the Pentagon, for whom Jimmy worked on contract, (he had been dischared unfer less than honorable conditions by then, sent Jimmy back to Chicago.

By early 1963, Jimmy was working with David Phillips, running guns from Chicago to New Orleans. By this time, Oswald had returned to the US and moved, alone at first, to New Orleans. He met his 1950’s Civil Air Patrol Captain, David W. Ferrie and Guy Bannister for whom he worked as FBI double agent, S-2-179/reporting to John S.A. Quigley. Oswald met a dazzling young female scientist, they fell in love, had lots of sex, etc. He went, on several occasions to Clinton, Louisiana, picked up guns from Jimmy from Chicago.

Both Oswald and Jimmy were CIA, as well as Oswald was also FBI. Their CIA handler was David Atlee Phillips, Chief of Covert Operations for the Western Hemisphere Division of the CIA.

You likely know the Antonio Veciana story about meeting the CIA guy he knew as Maurice Bishop, who later turned out to be David Phillips. Phillips met with Oswald about 10 or 15 minutes before speaking with Veciana.

When Oswald and his lady friend scientists showed reservations about using human beings as test rats for their linear particle acceleated SD 40 cancer viral strains, the doctor in charge told them to get lost. Doctor Alton Oschner was instrumental in causing the CIA to turn on Oswald, whom up to that point, was seen by CIA as a faithful, rightwing gunrunner for Bannister, while reporting on Bannister’s what were then illegal CIA-led Cuban exile training camps, led directly by David Ferrie and funded by Clay Shaw.

They sent Oswald to Mexico City with a double, whom Oswald looked like, but who did things in Mexico City that would cause local news outlets to fly with stories about the American who spoke to Russians about killing Kennedy, and fleeing to Russia.

None of that was true. When the FBI in Dallas, just after the assassination, listened to “Oswald’s” CIA-recorded tape , they reported to the Warren Commission that the voice on tape “was not that of Lee Harvey Oswald,” whom they knew from when he and Marina arrived in Dallas, and returned to Dallas when assigned by job at the Tex. School Book Depository.

The job was arranged for through the efforts of his best friend, George De Mohrenschildt, a long time friend of George H. W. Bush in the oil business. (PS. So was John Hinkley, Jr. another Bush, Sr. friend).

When De Mohrenschildt suddenly developed a conscience in the later 1970s, and was contacted by Gaeton Fonzi of the House Select Committee on Asssassinations (HSCA) and was about to go on record in testifying to Fonzi who would then bring him to Washington to testify before the House Committee, someone caused the alarm system in his daughter’s home in Manalapan, Florida to go off.

When De Mohrenschildt’s daughter came home from shopping, she found her father sitting in a chair in an alove upstairs in her home having put a bullet through his throat, and out the back of his head.” The alarm sound was recorded as part of a recording of a TV show by the maid.

The name, George H. W. (Poppy) Bush, and address and phone number, etc. were found in De Mohrenschildt’s pocket. At this same time, George H. W. Bush had been appointed CIA Director by his long-time friend at whose funeral Bush, Sr. eulogized his “friend,” Gerald R. Ford in 2007.

Now, ya gotta say one thing for old Bush, Sr.: He is faithful to his “friends.” Even lying in a eulogy when he had to know that Ford had 12 years earlier, in 1995 , admitted to the Assass. Records Review Board that he had indeed been the Warren Commissioner who ordered the Commission’ medical illustrator to “move upward by several inches the would on President Kennedy’s back from where it appears in the autopsy photographs.

When HSCA investigators wanted to get into the room with the safe where the autopsy photos were stored, CIA Director, Bush, Sr. had limited them to signing secrecy oaths before meing able to see the photos, so that rhey could not publish, or use the damaging evidence that they had just seen.

Bush left the CIA a very short time later. Then, came the 1980 “October Surprise,” written about by Barbara Honneger, Bush, Sr’s Personal Secretary, about a secret plane trip she and Bush, Sr. took to Paris by way of London, England.

There, she wrote in her book of the same title (”October Surprise”)
about the secret arrangements during the 1980 campaign against President Carter, to stop Carter’s rise in the polls due to his apparently successful negotiations with the Ayatollah Khomeini’ representatives, to stop the release of the 52 US hostages held in Iran since 1979.

It worked. This one is worth studying.

In the preceding piece just posted, when I said that Carter’s negotiations with the Ayatollah Khomeini’s representatives, which from all appearences were succeeding, when I also stated “to top the negotiations from succeeding,” I meant that Bush, Sr. tried, and succeeded in getting the Iranians to stop negotiating with Carter until after the 1980 elections. Carter’s numbers were rising fast enough that it was thought that he might overtake Reagan and Bush and pull off a successful re-election IF the hostages were to be released before the elections.

From Bush’s negotiations with the Iranians, we ultimately ended up with Iraq war 1 and the one we are still in now, Iraq war 2. we remember the “Downing Street Momoranda” and Bush, Jr’s plot to attack Iraq even if it meant “repainting a US jet fighter.bomber to make it look like a UN spy plane, to get Saddam’s military to attack it.”

This was to cause the war that Bush, Jr. wanted for the benefit of Cheney’s oil friends, some of them once part of his Halliburton/Brown and Root (same oil and military construction firm that made $1 Billion in profits in Vietnam AFTER they killed Kennedy to get that war.

These folk love power and profit, no matter how many lies they had to tell to get it. After all, what was thought to be good for corporations, (oops. I meant, “America”), was supposedly good for the world. Where is John F. Kennedy, Jr. and/or Paul Wellstone when you need them?

Those darned, inconvenient plane crashes, again. Remember in the early 1970s. former Warren Commissioner, Hale Boggs and his wife and their two friends? They arrived a local, I think it was Oklahoma City municipal airport to fly to Alaska, supposedly.

All that was left of them were two ladies’ purses, and some other usually important things that most intelligent people would not forget to take along with them in a plane ride. The actual plane was discovered at an airport in Indiana, but quickly disappeared when the find hit the news.

Darned convenient plane crashes!
Now, who was it who procured those B-28 old WW11 bombers for the Bay of Pigs invasion that were shot out of the air by Castro’s Mig fighters?? Colonel Fletcher Prouty said it was someone named George H. W. Bush of the CIA to whom the planes were delivered.

See any patterns here?

We do know one thing for sure: Oswald was in some way involved or was aware something was afoot. We know this because he fled the Book Depository, went home and retrieved a handgun. No other Depository employees left the scene or felt the need to arm themselves. I also suspect the package Oswald had that morning was the barrel assembly of his rifle without the stock which he may have brought to the building at an earlier date.

This gives us two basic possibilities: Oswald had decided to shoot Kennedy or had been assigned by a handler to deliver a rifle in pieces to the Depository [there is documentation Oswald had worked for any number of Federal agencies. Evidently at the time of the assassination he was both helping to run guns and informing to the FBI on other gunrunners]. If Oswald did not fire a rifle that day but merely delivered one to the Book Depository disassembled, then who was the rifleman seen in the sixth floor window and when did he escape? There are witness reports of a man fleeing the back of the depository and getting into a car. When Oswald left the building through the front he may have been followed, as theorized by Joachim Joesten in his 1964 book, which could account for witness sightings in the Tippet shooting of what appear two be two different men: Oswald and a tail.

The current focus in the Assassination research community seems to be the Mac Wallace latent fingerprint found on a box on the sixth floor in 1963. Even more of a revelation is the Texas grand jury that indicted Wallace and Lyndon Johnson in at least seven murders including President Kennedy’s. This is the best chance in years for some credible truth to come out, and one wonders when the Justice Department will reveal and endorse these things.

It went exactly as planned. No coincidences in the theater of politics. False flag ops. Only a bigger picture. The main target of the Kennedy assassinations was an attack on the American psyche. You gotta look at the BIG picture.
Just try to imagine the variety of ways that those acts could be exploited by playing the emotions of the victims.

The whole control grid is really just simple psychology. Most people are just kept zoomed in on details all the time and lose site of the bigger picture.

To: Just A Girl in Texas
Google Roscoe White and you will find a connection to Oswald in the military. He became a Dallas policeman just weeks before the assassination. His wife & son say he confessed to being the shooter on the grassy knoll (badgeman)in a diary they found. In 1971 he died from burns suffered while welding. He blamed assassins for planting flammable liquids too close to his work area.

i think a lotof answers could come from the tie. check for carbon cleaner or burn. like on a target. looking at photo from national arcives when the brightness is adjusted a black ring forms. strange illusion. carbon or cleaner on front could not have gone through body

Call me nuts if you want to. I bought some mellons and coconuts and drove out in the country with a rifle. Where the bullets went in,there was just a hole. The part where they exited was blown out. Clearly,the shot that blew the back side of JFK’s head apart did not come from the rear. I doubt that shot came from Oswald.