Why does it even matter what we’re calling it? Civil war or not, people are being massacred daily, and we’re not stopping it. Give me a break. How about we stop bickering over a name and actually accomplish something?

I agree Mer.

You know Iraq is a mess when we have to agree on the semantics before we do anything constructive on the ground.

It’s like the return of the aristocracy:

-“Let them eat cake!”

–“No. Let them eat pie!”

-“I still say cake.”

This is complete madness . . .

Absolutely right. The level of inaction concerning Iraq is startling. We started it, why don’t we have a solution for finishing it? We pissed a lot of people off and it may very well be too late to placate them. It’s a great sadness when our corrupt, bipartisan politics determine the fate and welfare of a nation across the globe.

Once, the cradle of life; now, the cradle of death.

Only those perpetuating the violence can stop it. Before Saddam ruled by terror, the Sunni’s and Shiites were killing each other. Ruling by terror is immoral, we won’t do it, and thus there is no way for peace.

Yes, I suppose it is a fight-fire-with-fire situation. If we use such tactics, we are almost guaranteed success, but doomed to great disapproval by the int’l community; if we back out now, leaving them to their own devices(i.e., killing, murder, bloodshed—bad shit in general) we’ll be left with a stigma of a different sort. It’s a hard call, but one that’s been overdue for months, those in control have had ample time to make a decision yet haven’t come to any conclusions. At least conclusions that we’re aware of. Bush’s “stay the course” mantra was fine and dandy a year ago, but now things have predictably escalated and we still aren’t aware of what the course looks like. We should just send Cheney and Ted Nugent over there, fully loaded and ready to roll, then we’d just have to clean up the corpses.

What the fuck are you people talking about? Do you know how many “immoral” dictators we’ve propped up in the past? Propping a strongman up is actually Bush’s preferred policy right now (though he won’t admit it).

If we sent Cheney and Ted Nugent over there Cheney would shoot Nugent in the face with bird shot, freak out about it and have a fatal heart attack. Then, yes, we’d have to pick up both the corpses before Al Quaeda parades them throught the ecstatic Iraqi streets. Shit that is the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

Evidently, Bush/Cheney/Perle/Wolfowitz haven’t finished the control of oil/enriching cronies “business interests”(Halliburton) hasn’t come to full fruition yet!

There’s More $$$$$$$$
To Hell with the loss of lives/ the Civil War that has broken out in Iraq…

Bush and Cronies haven’t gotten All of Theirs, yet$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Or, they can still bring Iran/Syria into the Mess and do some more War Profittering There, too…$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$

Freaks!

Note I didn’t say which corpses! Semantics. How is that a bad idea? Nugent’s not done anything productive since “Cat Scratch Fever” and Cheney, well, you know.

Yes, Let Them Eat Their Cake. It all comes back to a privileged pulling the strings, manipulating events in their favor, just trying to make a buck. Capitalism baby!

Don’t bring Ted into this. “Fred Bear” is pretty awesome and was well after CSF. If the US Gov can find a way to attack enemies with kick-ass guitar solos, then give him a shot.

you hear that sucking sound? that’s your tax money going to help poorly managed businesses. Don’t you hear it, that’s your money going to China in the form of federal bonds. just think, later we can default by starting a war.

the best thing that can happen is a completely justified impeachment of W and his crooked cronies because of the mess in Iraq. It is the best chance we have to restore integrity to our nation’s system.

in the meanwhile, the debacle in Iraq requires a very hard choice:
either we finally put the necessary force of “several hundred thousand troops” (Shinseki, 2002; to the Senate just before he was “retired”) or we get the hell out and let Iraq be.

this whole thing really sucks because we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place; it’s unconstitutional.

so, let’s impeach the bastards!!!

“You hear that sucking sound? that’s your tax money going to help poorly managed businesses.”

You might very well be right in this instance, but it’s that that would come from you. Democrats have been the king of spending tax dollars on worthless or poorly managed programs for the last 70 years.

the great difference is that the democrat sponsored programs that are so plagued by inneficiency and corruption attempt to help large numbers of people that need it rather than just a couple of business partners or cronies that don’t even know what to do with the extra money.

While I am talking about businesses, you counter with inefficient government programs. If you are going to make comparisons, shouldn’t you compare apples to apples. Unless you are merely trying to refute good points with Bull shit rethoric.
Could it possibly be that politicians on both sides allow those programs to become bloated and innefficient so they can transfer management of that money to private firms, such as what is about to happen with social security and what happened to the prescription drug plan. Instead of merely defending your republicant buddies perhaps you should be a bit more concerned with what is really happening to your tax dollars.

live by the sword, die by the sword. fuck with me, i fuck with you. anybody hear about iran not accepting the dollar? can’t push people around all the time. they’re human beings over there. we all have opposable thumbs and fat brains. we are living the last days of the u.s. empire. what are we gonna do, work with our fellow man or blow the planet to hell and take everyone with us?

The difference between an inefficent business and an inefficent goverment program is that an inefficent business will soon go out of business, and an inefficent goverment program never goes away. An inefficent/corrupt business only hurts the investors who knew that there were risks involved in investing in the first place. An inefficent goverment program hurts all the taxpayers, and does little to help the people it claims to help. It simply feeds money into the pocket of goverment employees. And of course the liberal answer to a fail goverment program is to throw more money at the problem.

so you don’t consider the consumer tat get bilked by the price gouging or substandard products as victims of that as well?

I don’t really know what the liberals would do or the ‘conservatives’. apparently in 10+ years in control the republicans have done nothing to fix any of those bloated programs. Theyr solution seems to be to kill the program and leave the people it helps in the cold.