Democratic Propaganda!!
Thats Rolling Stone and im done with you, you cheap dirty whore! If you cannot be fair to both sides then forget you! RS would never write and article putting down the democratic party. Which leads me to write you off.

Listen man, we need RS and their bias, the other side is doing the same thing and we dont have time to be “fair and balanced” especially when we’re right

True annon. RS is very democratic. They do little to unite us and much to divide. They spread their lies and do all they can to keep the Rep. party down. Funny thing is, the Rep party cannot be put down.

Liars, cheaters, pervert and the like all reside on both sides of the line. Whether they be donkeys or elephants they are all cheats.

Bias?? HAHA how can you say RS is bias? Whats bias about the above article.

RS is outright wrong and their spreading their lies. The rep. party does not have anyone to write “bias” articles about them masked as a music magazine. WRITE ABOUT MUSIC

few RS readers take the time to dig and find out for themselves if the above mentioned info is true. They just take it for what it is. RS should present both sides.

so what if rs is bias, i know you rep. watch the fox news, they are so bias its pathetic and they are a news source, now thats pathetic

There is no need to be fair and balanced because Congress itself is not fair and balanced. The Republicans have a majority and with that comes a great amount of control in how general proceedings go. That does not mean that Democrats are blameless for the morass that the current government is in, but until they have a majority in both houses and can block whatever the GOP wants to do the Republicans can and should receive the majority of blame for the current state of affairs.

So it’s the republicas fault North Korea is testing nukes? Damn George Bush. Is it the rep. fault that ecoli broke out? Is it the rep. fault that aids is running rampid? Hell, lets blame the republicans for hurricans and the snow in the north east and get it over with.

I want to read about music, not politics. RS stick to what you know about.

Im a republican– I love George Bush

RS has lost it all. Never again will I read another issue. Where’s the music ? Is music so bad these days that there’s only gossip mag/People mag/politics BS to write about to make RS look like a concerned entity of our existence ? What a waste of paper. Bias or not, who cares, leave politics to itself. The politicos are doing a great job of sinking their own boat.

Exactly, stick to the music man

Boy oh boy, we really hit the intellectual jackpot here. Let’s see, you guys hate Rolling Stone – because of its “bias” and “Democractic propaganda” – and yet you spend all your time reading this shit! I gotta hand it to ya, that’s genius.

You know, I can honestly say that it’s never occurred to me to spend all my time posting half-baked invective in the comment threads on Sean Hannity’s Web site or the National Review Online. I don’t even know if they have comment threads – because I haven’t been there.

My favorite is this “Anonymous” jackass who proclaims that Rolling Stone is a “cheap, dirty whore” and that he has written the magazine off for good, and then immediately comes back and posts two more completely worthless comments.

Gee, Mr. Anonymous, you’re really teaching those liberals a lesson. Hey, here’s an idea: why don’t you get a job? The Army’s hiring. So is the Marine Corps. In fact, there are no shortage of opportunities out there for patriotic young do-gooders like yourselves.

Cheer up, fellas, and don’t be so angry. Why don’t you go watch some Vietnam movies or play some “Halo 2″ or some bullshit like that. I know you love that shit, and it’ll be the best thing for everyone involved. Mahalo.

Looks like the RepugniKon Trolls have found a home here at RoSto. Well, screw them guys, keep up the expose of all things Crooked in DC.

All us subscribers know there is Plenty of the Music World covered here and in the Mag. Their presence here is just an indication of how desperate they really are. They’re just covering all the bases where the Truth about BushCo is openly diplayed and discussed.

To Hell with RepugniKon Trolls! Rot in Hell Traitorous Bastards!

If you just want to see music then read the music sections or buy the magazine. No one asked you to click the link, and its pretty damn obvious that it has something to do with politics.

Those who criticize Rolling Stone with such worthless language as “cheap dirty whore” are the same people who watch Fox News and believe every word of it. Its refreshing to have a publication that gives the liberal side of issues when the media is dominated by conservative personalities.

My mom is a cheap, dirty whore who is jobless and hooks for rent money
.. she is also a democrate

The point is, there should be some middle ground. Thats investigative reporting. Report both sides. Equal.

Someone who types four paragraphs needs the job

I pee my bed at night

C U In Hell,

Nicely stated. I would add this to your questions of our dittohead friends; Your screaming about bias and two sides of the story, which indicates that you disagree with some specific part of the story above. What precisely do you disagree with?
enlighten us! give us the “facts” from the other perspective.

Or, is it just that your angry that the story uses “reality” as a source, which (to quote Colbert) “is often very Liberal”

J

RS has been covering politics longer than most of the commentators here have been born. I’d say they are sticking to what they know, which is more than just music.

funny how the demons scream and rant when you shine a spotlight on them huh? Truth will hurt in their ears and filth will spill from their mouths in anguish.

Bring on the sun, let the sunshine in. Is this the dawning of the age of aquarius?

I like how the democrats here consistantly use harsh language and refer to republicans as, “demons, idiots, and so on” Nice fellas. Nice to see your both mature and educated.

Someone famous once said, Ive learned nothing from those that are just like me.

To break that down, its a bit ignorant to simply say that you are right and that is the bottom line. It is also ignorant to call someone names without even considering the other side of the story. Go ahead, buy into RS. Thats smart. Believe everything you read!

RS may have been covering politics for many years but that does not mean they have the correct slant on it.

Bias is ignorance

dv – good point. I think you are saying, “think for yourself” and “don’t believe everything you read.” Sage advise for both Dems and Republicans. As to the harsh language of the comments, this is a fairly new development the first of which I noticed during the Clinton impeachment and the arrival of Fox News. Instead of taking to the high ground, Dems have joined the right wing in fiery rhetoric and personal attacks. It seems like the only way to get the attention of a sleazy and disinterested media. But saying that, in relation to this particular RS article on the Congress, even conservative analysts are admitting the Congress has done next to nothing and is corrupt.

To the dumbass who stole my moniker:

You misspelled “Democrat,” dipshit. Quit playing on your daddy’s computer.

A message to the unitiated: Don’t pay any attention to these posters. It’s impossible to know who they are. But I’m guessing that some of them are republican staffers, interns at conservative think tanks, or something like that. That’s their job. Trolling around web sites like this — where the politically unsophisticated might see an article. And they post a bunch of garbage trying to smear both sides. “Oh, don’t get involved. A pox on both your houses.”

How dare we criticize the republicans. They only control the white house, both houses of congress and the supreme court. They have only owned the political agenda for the past 6 years. I have no idea why we would want to focus on them. Are there crappy democrats? Yeah. But any list of the most corrupt politicians will be dominated by republicans.

Jymn and others-

Sometimes I think we need to think beyond party lines. Defining a person by a party is a difficult proposition.

I am from Texas, live in Baton Rouge, and am fairly educated. (Currently working on a Masters while working full-time). I am intensely conservative, attend church weekly, and am a devoted Christian.

All to say- not that I am unique or special by those qualifications, but I represent the Republican Party and at the same time love my Radiohead and White Stripes albums.

Living in the South most of my life, I have grown tired of the emphasis on the 2 coasts in America. There is a huge portion of the population that goes unrepresented by print media, especially by RS. But you know what… that’s okay. They’re trying their best to sell magazines.

I would warn against characterizing a party or a group of people based on the ill-advised actions of a VERY FEW representatives. (ie: Mark Foley) I do my best to not stereotype the Northeast as a bunch of trust-fund liberal whiners or California as a bunch of slacker hippie whiners, mainly because it’s a small portion of much larger group.

In summary- from a conservative- open your minds to think beyond party lines. Be careful not to let yourself be controlled by any media- be it Bill Maher, Sean Hannity, Rush, Jon Stewart, etc. Make up your OWN mind through deductive reasoning. And leave us rednecks alone!

where am I… am I on earth? Im not sure, I like purple, where I put my foot. I like candy. Your nice, want to come out and see my pony. Things are strange when your blue. I like inbreading. Im stupid

Timo writes:
“I am from Texas, live in Baton Rouge, and am fairly educated. (Currently working on a Masters while working full-time). I am intensely conservative, attend church weekly, and am a devoted Christian.”

Well, I’m agnostic, and I think you are an idiot for believing in childish superstitions and trusting ANY elected officials.

Mark is right.

Anyone who puts “faith” in their elected officials is an idiot. They are not saints endowed with grace by God. They are power-hungry people by definition, otherwise they would have never run for office.

Just because George W Bush says he’s an evangelical christian, that does not make it so. For the record, he actually attends a Protestant church when he attends church at all. To you weirdos who think he’s doing God’s duty because God gave him power, well, then by the same logic, Saddam Hussein is doing God’s work as well and we should return him to power.

Oh. And Kim Jong Il… he’d doing God’s work too, apparently.

Cheers! Elected officials are supposed to be given a chance to serve, and if they fail, they should be removed. The problem in America seems to be that once you gain power, you can control the electoral process to make it next to impossible to get censured. Then again, it could just be that your Democrat leaders lack charisma.

shar wrote:”To you weirdos who think he’s doing God’s duty because God gave him power, well, then by the same logic, Saddam Hussein is doing God’s work as well and we should return him to power.”

we christians don’t like logic

In a democracy, the government serves the people (i.e. “Thank you for electing me, now how can I help?”). The current republican leadership believes the we, the people should serve them (i.e. “Do what we tell you. Maybe we’ll throw you some scraps!”). That’s not a democracy, that’s an aristocracy.

Im mark and Im an idiot. I dont believe in anything. I just happen to be here formed by some of the most complicated atoms. I believe this just happened. Im stupid

Timo – while I see where you’re coming from, you have to remember that despite what you say you are well represented by a media that caters to your every whim. It’s the right-wing conservative Christians that swung the vote to elect an ingnorant, illiterate president who takes his cues from a voice in his head he believes is a higher diety. It’s your “redneck” beliefs that have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of women and children in a far off land for no reason but vanity. It is you that voted for the most corrupt government in the modern history of America. You have given them blind servitude and what do they do to you – spit right back in your face, calling you names and ridiculing you? All this because you want to be left alone to push an agenda that preaches intolerance of anyone who challenges (called “traitors” in America) your beliefs and even stoops to bastardize the one bastion of democracy – the Constitution to protect the President so he won’t be charged with war crimes. This country is laughed at all over the world because “rednecks” have let the government get away with murder, theft and lies. So go back to your White Stripes and stick your head in the ground.

I say we should put congress on minimum wage. That way when they give themselves a raise (every year) people that really need it will get a raise as well. $100,000+ a year is just too much to pay people that sit around pointing fingers at one another. They make plenty of money catering to lobbyists anyway, this would give them a legitimate reason to be corrupt.

Im a douche bag and I know it. No one likes me cause im stupid

Former Republican-

1- Ignorant and illiterate president? I hate to say this, but all biases aside I think we can agree that GW Bush is probably one of the most informed human beings in the whole world. It is very naive to think otherwise. If nothing else, the sheer number of books that he has read in the last year gives me cause for concern that perhaps he is spending too much time reading! Now, what he chooses to do with the information and knowledge that he has, I can’t always agree with- but the majority of the time I do.

2- I could careless what the rest of the world thinks of us. It is completely contrary to the purpose of having a sovereign nation to try to please others. I think it is good for us to establish effective trade channels, etc- but we must maintain our nation and our borders first. This is why the UN is as powerless as it is- you can’t try to be everyone’s friend. I have lived 2 of the last 5 years in Japan and Western Europe and my resolve to keep us set apart has only grown stronger. We must focus on our country and resolving our problems, if the rest of the world doesn’t like it- that is their problem. It is not myopic, it is necessary for the survival of a nation.

3- Dude, no need for the harsh tone. “…stick my head in the ground…”? No need for that stuff. If you truly see the media as having a conservative bias- you are completely unaware of the fact that there may be 1 Fox News, but there are ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc etc who unanimously cater to liberal ideology. My identity is hardly that of a “redneck”, but I know many good people who do claim that identity. As for my 30 mpg car driving, fanatical recycling, non gun-owning self… don’t be so quick to stereotype a people group.

Wow! The Dems must be desperate. Watch Rolling Stone try to effect the upcoming elections!

The Democrats have absolutely no chance of winning without voter fraud, without falsely registering illegal voters, people from the grave, animals, pets, and so forth.

oh, and slashing tires.

America feeds the planet, repairs the planet, liberated over a billion oppressed people, rebuilt Europe after World War II, and whenever there are disasters around the world, America is first on the scene. The standard of living for the world has improved dramatically because of the USA.

Does anybody else here think that people that respond decent arguments with insults should be booted in the goddamn face? If you have nothing to bring to the adult’s table go sit with the other kids…

I agree with Former Republican and Timo, being from Canada some of my friends think that US is a bunch of rednecks and war mongers, George Dubya is an utter tool etc etc. However, having been to the US a couple times in my life and I say you cannot let one guy and his cronies curve what you think. Looking past the corruption, the perverts, the ignorance, the racism in congress and the entire government the US is a decent country…This is not to say Canada has had its fair sure of corruption and screw-ups…

As for bias, of course RS is biased, ALL MEDIA IS BIASED. EVERYWHERE you go no matter how “objective” they say they are. As dv and Jymn have said “think for yourself”. Read/listen to both sides of the argument and figure which side you like, or if you dont like either find your own opinion.

Finally, RS write about politics because that was two things RS was founded on: Entertainment(not just music) and politics. It appeals to the niche that is interested in both. If you want to read a magazine just about music, either find another mag or publish one yourself

The Democratic Party is no longer the party of Truman, FDR, and JFK. It has been hijacked by Stalinist/Marxist, extremist LIBERALS.

Rolling Stone is a leftist rag. Anyone expecting to get objective, impartial information is delusional.

Thank you Rolling Stone for bringing to light the pointless 109th congress. I haven’t read it yet, but am hoping it’s almost as good as the article about bush being the worse president ever… Stuck between a do nothing republican congress, a frightened judicial branch, and a fraudulent, inept republican white house: we Americans have had an malicious syndicate in control for the past 6 years… The upside is, it can only get better once the village idiot is out of office.

You commenters are retarded. RS is biased, it is a music magazine that reports on culture, current events and politics. You all knew that going into it. Just because YOU buy it with “music magazine” in mind doesn’t mean they can’t write about politics. I disagree on the vast majority of their political opinion, but I still read it to form my own opinion. Sadly, this Congress is run by a Republican majority, the corruption scandals are predominantly Republicans and the country is going in the wrong direction. But it’s not just the Republicans fault. The Democrats are to blame too. So, quit crying about RS bias. If you turned the news off Fox News for a little while you might be wakened up to that. Of course, this comment brought to you by my own particular brand of bias. So, take that as you will.

I think ill run for president cause I think I know it all. Fact is, I do not. Im dumb as a sack or rocks. I havent even read an article in which im weighing in on.

Stop being such a hate mongering republican. Stop listening to the voices in your head and read the comment: it says “hope” not “read”. It didn’t offer analysis of the article but opinion of an America in ruins. Here’s what you should do. Buy a gun, insert into mouth, and gargle…

Steve said: “I think ill run for president cause I think I know it all. Fact is, I do not. Im dumb as a sack or rocks. I havent even read an article in which im weighing in on.”

That’s right. Go back to watching American Idol…nothing wrong here, nothing to see, all is well.

a “leading scholar ” told matt who, what?

Honaker,(Tolstoy)
I have NO freaking idea what you just attempted to say. If anyone else can translate, please do so. Try to keep it to a couple thousand pages next time.

JD,

It’s very simple, it says #$^%@*!!->

somebody voted for these fucks. they didn’t just walk in and take a seat. and why all this venom against rolling stone?
the stone is about the most healthy thing going these days:-)!!

Former Democrat

“The Democratic Party is no longer the party of Truman, FDR, and JFK. It has been hijacked by Stalinist/Marxist, extremist LIBERALS.”

Retard. The Democrats were WAY more liberal during these eras; since the failure of the Great Society era of Johnson, the Dems have slimed their way over to the center, trying to look more and more like moderate Republicans, who are doing their own bit of slimy business, as evidenced by the RS article.

Throw ‘em all to the wolves!!

Oh man!! C U in Hell, thanks for the link I hadn’t laughed so hard in a long time.

Tolstoy, Havent you realized people these days don’t have that much of an attention span, specially for dumsh*t. Concise, direct, clear. rules to write by.

“Uh, OK” the Democrats of bygone eras were NOT driven by irrational hatred, vitriol, conspiracy theories as they are now. Extremist, Socialist, Marxist, Stalinist, Feminist, hippie kooks run the party now. How you can deny that is far beyond me, perhaps you have a skewed view of history.
And the last place you want to get impartial, unbiased view of politics is Rolling Stone magazine. Lol.

How anyone can say the DNC has gone to the center since the days of Truman, FDR and JFK has distanced themselves from reality. The DNC is as wacked out liberal as they come. Even terrorists use DNC talking points.

“The Democrats have absolutely no chance of winning without voter fraud, without falsely registering illegal voters, people from the grave, animals, pets, and so forth.”

Well put, but..

Democratic operatives are not above slashing tires, either.

The sheer thought of Nancy Pelosi as Majority Leader is pretty scary.

The editors at Rolling Stone are a bunch of crack pot leftists. People have been brainwashed by the liberal agenda to accept Rolling Stone’s hit piece.

Democrats do NOT have issues. They cannot engage Republicans in the arena of ideas. All the Democrats can do to get ahead is smear Republicans.

Want to talk about corruption?
Let’s talk about liberal Democrat Harry Reid’s slimey land deals.

Boy, Rolling Stone has persuaded me with their leftist propaganda! If the Democrats don’t win the upcoming elections, I’m going to piss and moan and cry like a baby and say the GOP “rigged” another election. God only knows us Democrats cannot accept defeat.

Anyone under the belif that the Democrats are going to have a landslide victory:

Remember what the exit polls said on Election Day 2004?

Rock the Vote is a sham.

Do you deserve:
A cut and run policy on terror?

Higher gas prices?

Higher taxes?

Impeachment hearings?

Investigations into “war crimes” commited by U.S. troops?

Nancy Pelosi as Majority Leader?

The only way to get fair and balanced reporting is to do the research for yourself. RS has its head to far up the dems ass to know the difference and fox news is pretty much the republican comedy show. Trying to make the republicans look good is a 24 hour job.

it donsn’t matter if your a far liberal or conservative , somebody has to take credit for the state of democracy.the point rolling stone is trying to make is that the goverment thinks they can get away with anything they want and people will never know.

me thinks the same two or three people are posting vitriolic rants under different names. Can the RS folks put the folks with different names yet same ip’s under one header please. Call it agents of Un-Democracy.

“How sick and desperate and unbelievably hopeless is the current Congress?”

It might be just me but it seems you could replace “Congress” with “writers of Rolling Stone” really easily in that sentence.

DV,
Stop your whining. You make me sick. RS has a proud tradition of leftist journalism that harkens back to it’s first issue.
I think if you stay away from the National Affairs blog you could read about music all day and not run into any of this pesky politics stuff.

I feel so inspired by Nancy Pelosi becoming Speaker. It’s a pity that the Dems seem to be hiding her from the media. Is it because they are ashamed of her. The American public needs to get to know her. We all know the Dems are going to win 30-40 seats.

…the Democrats DON’T win the Senate and House? They are locked in for a sure fire win, right? Just like walking/talking corpse, John Kerry, was destined to win the ‘04 elections.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Republicans stymie the Democrats, once again.

Frankly, the Democrats **aren’t** giving anyone reasons to **VOTE FOR THEM**.

Timo
“but there are ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc etc who unanimously cater to liberal ideology. ”

The very fact that you would say that shows your ignorance and how much of what you say you “know” comes from Republican Talking points. If you did an actual media study to back up that view, you would come up empty. Media Consolidation has created a situation in this country where there is no longer any liberal bias in the media (if there ever was). Why else does the Bush FCC work so hard to bury their own reports?

Who the FUCK is Matt Taibbi, and what makes him think he is an expert on politics? And, pray tell, who is that “scholar”? Could he be an elitist?

ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, NY Times, et. al aren’t liberally biased! What ever would give you that impression? And I never hear them reitterate DNC talking points.. NEVER!

And Rolling Stone doesn’t have a leftwing agenda. They are just reporting the UNBIASED facts!

**someone pass me a doobie**

All,
No wonder our government is so incredibally fucked up. They seem to be no different than the ridiculously stupid comments on this thread. It reads like childish insult tennis.

Wake the fuck up. Our ENTIRE government is corrupt. EVERY incumbent needs to be voted out of office. Our “leaders” will never turn this cluster-fuck around because we the people can’t get our shit together long enough to threaten their position.

Elected Mafia, indeed.

I’d post something, but I’m afraid the Bush administration is spying on me..

matt taibbi? oh, he’s somebody that wants to be somebody that somebody else was once. acid and all. they just don’t fit on the same page.

Jack D:

Do we get to throw out Democrats too?

YES, Dems too!

I question anyone who quotes Colbert.

JackD,
The entire system is corrupt. It really doesn’t matter who’s in power, the system is setup to create corruption even in the most sincere politician. Until we have publicly funded elections it will not change. Unfortunately the people who have to make that happen are the same ones benefiting from the corruption.

NY Times not liberally biased? Neither is CNN, etc? Get out of here!

I question anyone who chooses the screen name “under cover of darkness”.

You guys have been so brainwashed by the right-wing pundits (Ann Coulter anyone?) that you wouldn’t recognize conservative propaganda if it was goosing you right now. Likewise you would assume that any truth told to you is liberal bias. If you really want the truth. Don’t read the US press. Check out the BBC.

For anyone to deny the fact that NY Times (or CNN, etc.) is not liberally biased, but in fact moderate or even conservative has to be pretty liberal to start.

Your assumption that the entire world is suffering from left-wing media bias would be laughable if it weren’t so damn destructive to our beloved democracy. How about we go and dig for facts. The one with the best facts about media bias wins.

Yeah, “brainwashed by Ann Coulter”, that’s the ticket. I’ll take your advice and get my “information” from some elitist European source like the BBC. Why stop with the BBC? I’m sure North Korea’s media is pretty objective too? How about France? They are far removed from American right wing pundits, I’m sure they are pretty unbiased.

I don’t hear any answers to my challenge.

You are right TinFoil. We should listen to France. Or any socialist country for that matter.

I didn’t hear any challenge. Sounds like the only one being challenged is you.

For your information, neither France or Britain are socialist. Furthermore, perhaps if we had listened to France instead of Bush, we wouldn’t be in the hopeless morass of Iraq right now.

“The one with the best facts about media bias wins.”

Maybe if you learned to read you would see that the American media is hopelessly dominated by corporate greed.

Did I say they were socialist?
And since when do we have to listen to France. And win is the Iraq war a morass? You want to cut and run? Remember: Peace follows victory. And if you want peace, you must go to war.

OK, now there’s a whole string of republican talking points. So when did you start working for the RNC?

“We should listen to France. Or any socialist country for that matter.”

Your dissembling now.

There’s a whole lot of shades of grey between “cut and run” and “stay the course”. The experts agree, there is no victory to be had in Iraq. If you want to look at facts (which you obviously don’t) it was never about Liberty.

I should’ve known what I was getting into..
There is a good reason why people like you aren’t in power.

The “facts” say it was conquest of Iraq’s oil and the spread of Christianity through the mideast.

What? Did you expect your “truthiness” to be confirmed at this website? Go post on jesuslovesbush.com and you can get in your Republican Love Fest for the week.

The liberals see things in shades of grey. There is no right or wrong. Just nuance.

Or go to moveon.org. Or any other leftwing kook website.

Boy you disinfomation troops are out in force aren’t you? How about you counter the article with some kind of FACTS about why anyone would vote Republican at this point?

How do you come to your assumptions?
Why do I even bother to ask?
Anyone that says NY Times isn’t liberally biased needs a check-up from the neck up.

Better question, TinFoil, is why anyone would want to vote for the Democrats. They sure aren’t running on issues.

It’s so easy for you guys to discredit stuff isn’t it? All you have to do is make fun of it. It’s no wonder you post so much. No need to counter with ANY evidence at all, just shoot the messenger. Real convincing. I’m obviously wasting my time.

And what issues are important to you?

Say, Tinfoil, if the Democrats don’t win, would have the elections been rigged?

“needs a check-up from the neck up”

Ah the clever sounding ad homonym attack disguised as a sound bite. How about you try to find an unbiased media study to back YOUR assumption? I’ll match my evidence against yours any day.

What if…
How would I know? You guys are the ones with the RNC affiliation. Why don’t you ask your boss?

The number one issue for me is the safety of this country and its war on terror. The Democrats have done NOTHING to make me believe they care about national security. They want to undercut this administration on every thing: the Patriot Act, wire tapping, etc. Seems to me the terrorists would feel safer with liberal Democrats running this country. After all, the Dems are whining about the prisoners in GITMO and elsewhere because they don’t have a prisoners ‘Bill Of Rights”..

Guys, why argue with this dumkopf, Tinfoil Hat? He has a pretty lopsided world view. Come on, NY Times **CONSERVATIVELY** biased?!

“How would I know?” Well, evidently you are a liberal, if not a Democrat. I thought you had all the answers.

I have better things to get into a pissing match with a clueless liberal.

hey TFH you’re arguing with Kartman again.

Okay guys, one thing to chew on:
Assuming the Dems don’t win in a few weeks, will Rolling Stone feature a puff piece by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lamenting the fact that it was another “stolen” election?

Just wondering.
Nite.

Sounds like TFH is at odds with himself, Jed.

This isn’t like Rolling Stone has never been political before. Everyone seems appalled but RS has done this for 40ish years. Get over it.

What if …
You are an ignoramus and have no idea of the rules of debate. I’d much rather argue with Kartman. The democrats haven’t even been able to hold a meeting without the Repugs turning off the sound and lights. What makes you think that ANYTHING this adminstration has done has made us safer? Get a clue, then get back to me.

I haven’t seen a substantive argument from the lot of you.

The only message I got from liberals is: if it feels good, do it.

Amazing response isn’t it? You might think that some political party is real concerned about any real issues ruining their plans for world domination … or something.

Lo,
Taking the LO road are we? How about answering ANY ONE of the issues raised in the article above?

This thread is a regular tutorial on Right-Wing arguing tactics. Here are some prime examples:

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“why argue with this dumkopf, .. He has a pretty lopsided world view. Come on, NY Times **CONSERVATIVELY** biased?!”
Use ad homonym attack to discredit the opponent and avoid facing the issue

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“Sounds like TFH is at odds with himself”
Create an artificial fallacy to discredit the opponent.

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“I have better things to get into a pissing match with a clueless liberal”
Artificial self promotion combined with discrediting the discourse along with ad homonym attack of the opponent.
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The Democrats have done NOTHING to make me believe they care about national security. They want to undercut this administration on every thing: the Patriot Act, wire tapping, etc. Seems to me the terrorists would feel safer with liberal Democrats running this country. After all, the Dems are whining about the prisoners in GITMO and elsewhere because they don’t have a prisoners ‘Bill Of Rights”..

Faulty argument frame. Misguided interpretation of the constitution and intent of the founding fathers. Glossing over major issues of constitutional law as if they are nothing worth preserving showing all-encompassing ignorance of historical context. Transition sentence assuming to have some insight into the minds of Terrorists and who they prefer again displaying willful ignorance.

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“needs a check-up from the neck up”

Clever sounding ad homonym attack disguised as a sound bite.

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“why anyone would want to vote for the Democrats. They sure aren’t running on issues”

Broad defamatory statement with no supporting evidence or context.

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“any other leftwing kook website”

Discredit the assumed source and attach a defamatory adjective to it.

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“There is a good reason why people like you aren’t in power”

Vague stereotyping of all who don’t agree with special attention toward smearing the opponent.

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“since when do we have to listen to France. .. You want to cut and run? Peace follows victory .. if you want peace, you must go to war”

Rapid fire talking points with no accompanying substance

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“the only one being challenged is you”

Minimization of opponent without dealing with any substance.

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“get my “information” from some elitist European source like the BBC”

Minimization of valid media source by using an arbitrary and inaccurate label.

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Cm’on guys, can’t we do any better than this. For right-wing operatives, you’re comming off pretty lame. If you want to learn how to truly argue. Check out posts from ‘Capitalist Pig’ on some of the other threads.

Tin Foil Hat-

If you would like to discuss actual places where liberal bias is evident in the media, the RS forum is a pretty tough place to do that. If you would actually like to discuss this further, let’s pick some other place to do it. If you or others wanted evidence, I would be happy to devote a daily blog to the topic- and then allow for further debate. It’s a great way to exchange thoughts in a PRODUCTIVE way. Regardless of beliefs, we all need to be respectful of the fact that we come from different demographic, spiritual, and educational backgrounds- all of which may serve to enlighten one another. New Age talk aside…

I think it is evident that the majority of the Conservative/Republican viewpoints being expressed on this thread are probably coming from some of the more objective sources available. The majority of people who even check this website are probably under 35, and likely way too knowledgeable about pop culture and pop music. (I would definitely place myself in that category) Most RS readers are probably moderate to liberal, and I’m relatively sure that if the majority of us got together to go hear some really great live act and have a few beers- we would probably find that we have a lot in common.

The point being… given that most people would agree that the major media outlets have a liberal bias- I think it is fair to say that you would be wise to reconsider your stance on this point. Fox News is pretty much the ONLY major media outlet that is remotely conservative.

I listen to the big talk show hosts daily- Rush, Hannity, Savage, etc. And as much as I identify with them ideologically, I think their disdain for and disability to have PRODUCTIVE debates with people having opposing viewpoints is disappointing.

Lastly, Republicans are not evil just misrepresented. Bush being cast as evil is just ridiculous. The same people who criticize his intelligence are the same ones who create ridiculous conspiracy theories that he was really behind 9/11. How can Bush be simultaneously that stupid and that capable? And do people really believe that he WANTS war? That he WANTS anyone to die? The day that each of us gets to serve as president and are faced with that level of decision-making, then we can be openly critical. In the meantime, give the man SOME benefit of the doubt when he says that he has taken these actions as a proactive means to ensure our safety.

Who started up the republican sock puppets?

Wow, a Shocker-RS is liberal-try the NYPost if you want the Apologists for Bush Bumbles Tribune…

Hear it’s geared for the Medicare Set…

None of you Scummy Repubes have any sense of “fairness”…

Tired of liberals being too polite and too tolerant of Corrupt Conservatives who need to be put out to pasture/prison…

And no, pasture, is not the “new” Rehab…

Tired of Conservatives with Control Issues-they want everyone slanting right-(Fascist Flaps)…

Haven’t we Been There, Done That and look how well it’s worked out!

Good list TFH, pretty much runs the gammut of what philosophers past have warned against in political or any other kind of discourse. One has to wonder how they can justify themselves. Do they not realize they are helping out common enemy by playing the divide and conquer game with their own countrymen?

To Ananymous: why people like u avoid truth like an ostrich? This is the thing u do always: Tell lies so openly and so boldly that the person telling u truth doubts whether he himself is true? This is cowardice!!!

Timo is again making generalizations about Liberals, stating that the same people who criticize Bush also attribute theories of his responsibilities for 9/1/1. Bullhockey. Please, try for some intelligent discussion here. Echoing Rush, O’Reilly, Coulter, ABC Note talking points is not a sign of critical thinking. If you can’t develop your own theories but have to rely on talking points, you’ve already given too much away about your intellectual prowess. At least Bush doesn’t pretend.

Eye,

Nice post young man. It was certainly a busy night. You spoke the one word that goes to the heart of the issue, perhaps all issues: fear. It has been THE motivating factor in State behavior in easily 500 years and arguable has been THE ‘guiding light’ of man’s collective behavior since we walked upright. We can leave it to the sociologists/philosophers to opine just what kinds of fear(s) exist and which drive us the most and what outcomes are so derived.

I would like to address just one fear: to wit the fear of a terrorist attack. I’m sure statisticians have calculated the probability of one being injured/killed by a terrorist attack in this country and I would like to see that probability put alongside, say, being hit by lightening. I don’t live in NYC, so I’m sure the odds of ME being hit by lightening is a HELL of a lot more than a resident of NYC. But equally, they’re a HELL of a lot more likely to be mugged than injured/killed in a terrorist attack. But what do we/they fear most? A terrorist attack?

Throughout most of the history of this country, politicians have played on the collective fears of the populace. In the second half of the 21st Century ‘fear’ has been a cornerstone of political thought and foreign policy. In the last 20+ years, the Cons have elevated this practice to an art form. We have Reagan calling the Soviet Union the ‘evil empire’ and warning that if we don’t stop communism in Nicaragua, they’ll be coming up the Mississippi River. And, sadly, people bought it. And they buy it today.

And who benefits the most? Aside from the obvious, those in power, the ones who benefit the most are the ones who make the weapons to ‘protect’ us and those who administer those weapons.

Wikipedia: “(D)ecadence is often defined as a decline in or loss of excellence, obstructing the pursuit of ideals. It is typified by the elevation of cleverness, education, and intellectual pretension over experience and tradition, and is often considered materialistic.” Sound familiar?

That is
projectcensored.com

not
projectcenso red.com

Why do any of us sit here and type on these things? It’s funny on so many levels… anyway, existential thoughts aside…

We can all cite umpteen instances of corruption and lawbreaking in both parties. For every projectcensored there is a boycottliberalism. As far as talking points, nothing makes them inherently bad- in some ways it is a more efficient means to make a point- so let’s not treat them as such. Just make sure you have personally reasoned substance behind your points.

My main problem is this: The polarization of our generation. I’m 27- and I am probably right smack in the middle of the RS target demographic. I see more unreasoned disdain for BOTH parties now than I think we have ever seen. Part of the problem is that most mainstream Democrats are so liberal now that they have lost their appeal to the masses. Republicans have had lots of opportunities, but keep shooting themselves in the proverbial foot because of selfishness, scandal, and in-party power struggles.

We have to look at the ideology of what Conservatism and Liberalism are instead of looking at the parties and the people in them. There are some great, great people in Congress. We shouldn’t overlook what they’re trying to do simply because their label is “R-Texas” or “D-Massachusetts”, but I feel like that’s what we do.

Well, we have killed this topic in threads- I am going to post a blog later today outlining some more of my general thoughts on mikeandtimblog.blogspot.com, if anyone is willing to take the discussion there. That way we let RS use this space to tell us about the new Radiohead album, or how Third Eye Blind and Ben Folds are the most underrated bands of the last 20 years. To conclude, I would encourage all readers/posters on this thread to dispense with demonizing a person solely based on party affiliation and look at who the person is/has been outside of politics.

There’s definitely something really strange happening in our world, something way more intricate than what we can probably wrap our head around.
It seems inconceivable that our leaders are more intent on protecting business and business interests to the detriment of everything else, including the safety of their people.
By creating divisions and almost outright hatred in the population they’ve created a condition where progress is slow and vulnerabilites easy to find. We should work together rather than suscribing to the us-against-them mentality… after all, we’re only ordinary men.
(sorry, had to… pink floyd rocks!!)

The best thing any U.S. congress could do is nothing: absolutely nothing.

bob b.,
that notion merits further exploration. lol. it’s kind of attractive, yes? but they gotta vote on a few things….like the budget.

who gives a shit…this story has nothing to do with Axl Rose or “Chinese Democracy”..what a waste….

“most mainstream Democrats are so liberal now that they have lost their appeal to the masses.”

Say Whaaat? You’ve got to be kidding me! Come back to this blog when your 30 son.

Steve,
Please spare us your propaganda tutorial. I’ve seen through more propaganda in my life than you could imagine exists.

Let me ask the self righteous liberals here:

DOES AMERICA DESERVE TO WIN THE WAR IN IRAQ?

Tinfoil, you seem to not mind leftwing propaganda. If you don’t already deny it exsists.

“most mainstream Democrats are so liberal now that they have lost their appeal to the masses.”

“Say Whaaat? You’ve got to be kidding me! Come back to this blog when your 30 son.”

You have to be oblivious, or outright ignorant to deny the fact that the Democrat party has been hijacked by leftist extremists. The Democratic party is so out of touch with America right now, it’s amazing.

As for the answer to the question if the Left (namely Democrats) want to win in Iraq: I’m not so sure. There are times where I wonder if they have a vested interest in America’s defeat.

Muad Dib,
Go turn yourself into a spice worm. The DNC has taken this party so far right that most people don’t recognize it anymore. Take a look at the candidates they’re fielding. The reason the Democrats are having a hard time is because they’ve drifted so far RIGHT that they’ve lost touch with their base. One look at the Delaware primary ought to tell you something.

Muad Dib,
The left is infuriated because we saw the whole thing coming. It’s hard to concentrate on where we are now when we’ve been lied to the entire way into this war of choice. This administration has been the worst outrage in history! I have a hard time taking you seriously son.

OK Steve, or Raymond, or Muad Dib, or whoever the hell you are. Your glib labeling of everything you don’t agree with as propaganda is not helping you recognize what propaganda is. If you really want to prove anything to me, take an article from the aforementioned web site, and study the references. Can you find any ASTROTURF in the mix?, how about HIDDEN AGENDAS? You Cons are so good at projecting that you assume the left uses the same tactics as you do. You do your homework son, then get back to me.

Oh, by the way. The tact of changing your screen name ever other line is getting real old. Why don’t you fight fair?

Lo,
DOES AMERICA DESERVE TO WIN THE WAR IN IRAQ?

The question is in error, you should be asking
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS MESS WITH OUR DIGNIDY INTACT?

You guys or guys are so WILLFULLY ignorant that you amaze me. You are in a country that is slowly being turned from a Republic into a FASCIST THEOCRACY, and all you can do is sit there and work to discredit anything that approaches truth. Ben Franklin once said that we have “..a Republic, if you can keep it”. Democracy requires an informed constituency. Get informed, brown-shirts!

This is why the motherfucking two party system doesn’t motherfucking work. Instead of one party controlling everything motherfucking thing, we’ve got two parties fighting with each other trying to control every motherfucking thing and focusing all their attention on gaining control rather than the actual important issues. That’s why the only president who was better than politics (Washington) knew what he was saying when he said that there should be no political parties. The way we pretend to still honor what he stood for is like the way Stalin pretended to stand for what Lenin stood for.

while this is all very interesting, lets talk about something that actually means something….the new Guns N Roses album “Chinese Democracy” is set to hit stores before the end of the year. You can visit gunsnroses.com for all the latest news, performances, and all of your ticket purchasing needs…

woah Dude, huff some more of that oven cleaner.

remember when this magazine used to be about music?

Really- why do you people knowingly click on the POLITICS link to get to this section of the magazine and then whine about how it isn’t about “the music”? Are you really that stupid?

Let’s not forget these idiots were elected by you and me.If you don’t like it vote for somebody else. Republican, Democrat,Third party it doesn’t matter, there are dickheads in all these parties.Vote the fuckers out!!!

To all the naysayers and critics of the content of this article:

It is quite telling and transparent that you work to undermine the dominant opinions expressed by normal RS readers by personal attacks and calls for more music (in the national politics section) and such, while offering not a single factual rebuttal of anything said in the article or by the posters who overwhelmingly agree with it’s central thesis here.

It is a clear sign of Republican(NeoCon Republicans, that is, not real Republicans like Senator Lincoln Chafee of RI) panic. You could not argue with the central thesis of this article because it’s true and you know it, so you resort to the only thing that you have avialable; baseless disruptions and attacks. Your simply trying to drown out the myriad voices of agreement.

How pathetic and desperate the Right has become.

J

Former Independent, Republican, Socialist, Nazi, Communist, etc…

Please, give me a break!

And for the Scholar who described some of the posters(Sock Puppets)as Republican “Think Tank Interns”, call it what it is…

Stink Tank Bush Apologists is more fitting and, the best they do is avoid the real issues and do their Fear and Smear Stuff.

Their Chief “Strategist” is Rove who does nothing more than bug his opponents political headquarters, teach his trainees how to toss out Democratic and Independent Voter Registrations, Bribe, convince the terminally naive to Fix the Diebolds, and, intimidate minorities to Cease and Desist from voting(How 1950’s of ‘em)…

Money-laundering, the status of Iraq, the energy crisis, the corruption in government(Our current Majority Repubes, especially), the Vast Majority of repube Foley Cover-up, the billions that seemed to go into Business(Repube’s) and political pockets instead of equipping our military and, building housing in the Gulf, or price-gouging for the oil companies-take your pick-And Think…

And Huge Control Issues-No Liberal media allowed, anywhere?No RS?

Talk about Afraid of the Truth…

“They are all here from the Republican Think Tank”…

That’s really over-stating It…

How About Republican Stink Tank!

Not Much Rational “Thinking” going on in the GOP-Ways and Means to Cheat Constituents and, Elections…

“The Repubes call it; “Rove’s Great Strategy”-But In Reality’s Light of Day, it’s Con, ——-the Constitution, Voter’s Rights, Voting Machines, Registrations, etc.

Again, Let us know, Repubes, When real “The Think Tank” is born!

Con and Fleece and Crime don’t really qualify as ’strategy’ in the ‘moral’, ‘integrity-filled’ Conservative Platform, you Repubes claim to “embody”-oh, yeah! Not with Rove, you don’t-address it…Purge him, not Americans Votes…

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