If your article was intended to create sympathy for the young men accused of rape, it had the exact opposite effect for me. These young men obviously think they are entitled to sex whenever, wherever and with whomever they desire and most certainly carried that attitude into the situation where the rape allegedly occurred. Furthermore, the young women portrayed in this article should be more concerned with the possible long term health consequences of their actions than with trading sex for popularity. They are nothing but unpaid prostitutes.

This article is an accurate description of maybe 5-10% of the Duke undergraduate population and it has completely overshadowed the amazingly diverse and talented student body. As a 2004 graduate of Duke who was only able to attend because of large amounts of financial aid, I am upset and infuriated at how popular media has gone out of its way to defile my education and my college. Duke has an amazing amount of academic resources, and I received an education of such a high caliber, that I don’t believe any other institution in the world could rival it. I am now working on my Neuroscience PhD in a top international program. The rich education I received at Duke and the amazing research I was able to do there has made all the difference in my career path. The fact that my family is poor and uneducated and that I am from a rural community – these things never stood in my way at Duke. I had inspiring classmates from all walks of life. Sure there are oblivious rich types only concerned about looks and sex and status and money – but they are the minority. These spoiled playboys (playgirls) of rich society (or wanna be rich society) make their way into all good schools – leaving a nice trail of money behind them for universities to hungrily scoop up. It is unfortunate that your magazine was more interested in creating a sensation rather than chronicling the real Duke. And Eta Prime is most definitely NOT a fraternity on Duke’s campus. Eta Prime was started by guys who got their nationally recognized fraternity kicked off campus for a laundry list of ridiculously immature infractions. When the national fraternity stripped them of their affiliation, they found a house off campus and called themselves Eta Prime. They parade themselves around saying they are a Duke fraternity, when they could never meet the increasingly strict standards handed down from the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life.

I have daily experience with young, men and women, both at work and at home. I am a mother of a middle school boy, who I hope is aware that oral sex is not “no big deal that everyone does.”
I am a public school teacher. I do not want to be rude. However your article was painful to read. Those women sound like the immature, undignified young women who I listen to day after day at work. The “Duke” girls are just older high-school women who are now in expensive colleges. It is my hope, that there are programs, counseling, (AA), etc. there, that will teach those in need about dignity, integrity and spirituality regarding our bodies or God help are children!
I wish the athletes luck and I hope they learned something from this experience. I hope they soon gain some appreciation for what they are: great athletes at a respectful university who may just be wandering down a slippery slope and who need a lift.

The author’s tone of journalistic discovery as if uncovering a sensationally disturbing and obscure social dynamic at one of the country’s elite educational institutes is laughable. The fact that some derivation of the word “obvious” is not found in the title immediately misleads most intelligent readers with degrees from 4 year universities.

Reitman’s reference of Tom Wolfe’s “I am Charlotte Simmons” would have more than sufficed for the endless Captain Obvious anecdotes that comprise the rest of the article. Clearly the goal here is to capitalize on the public’s desire of Duke University fodder. Next time, in pursuit of such a goal, simply print a Duke logo and paste a synopsis or review of the Wolfe novel beneath it. Oh, and it might help to boost the integrity of the content if you could mention that the occurrences that Reitman describes are par for the course at nearly every college in the nation.

From my personal experience as a Duke student, I feel your greatly exaggerated description of the Duke social scene is almost comical. Your article focuses on a very select group of students, a group that is of little concern to everyone else at the school. At Duke, there are so many intelligent, diverse, and fun people that there simply is not enough time to waste on these “popularity struggles”, which you choose to make the main focus of your article. Perhaps I would not be considered “cool” by the four or so sorority girls in your article, since, among other things, I had no knowledge of “the core four” until the end of my sophomore year and had never previously heard about this WWIII party. Also, you mention a lack of dating at Duke. While this lack of dating may be true among the people with whom you focused (read: the select students who I and most other students care little about), in my hallway last year 11 of the 16 guys had steady girlfriends. In fairness, I guess an honest, non generalized depiction of Duke social life would not sell very many magazines. Who wants to read about hanging out with friends, playing pick up basketball, studying, or going to Cameron together? Therefore, good job putting the word “sex” on your magazine’s cover at the expense of my school.

As a female undergraduate at another top university (Northwestern) I’d like to commend Reitman for a revealing yet sensitive piece. While I can’t speak for Duke students, as far as I’m concerned she nails the description of today’s undergraduate culture: study hard, party hard; hookup while you can, sober up later. It might only be 10% of the student population but its enough to dominate the campus culture. This isn’t to say I endorse this behavior, but on the other hand I could hear myself giving the same responses as the girls who were interviewed. I’m sure they’ll cringe at their portrayal, as I did, but thats only a reflection on its truth.

I recently graduated from a large state university and I can honestly say that the social scene was almost exactly as described by this article. The article did seem a little exaggerated, but only in the sense that there were times that it was exactly like that and other times when it was less crazy. I was in a fraternity and by experience was just as described. I would like to note, however, that upon graduation nearly everyone I know abandoned the college lifestyle and have since moved on to committed relationships and sucessful careers. In terms of the Duke rape case, I would bet all my money that those guys did not rape anyone. I was in the same situation (strippers at a drunken pre-game house party) a number of times and it would be impossible for those events to take place in the way they are alleged. In my opinion, the guys were drunk and mad that they got a black stripper, called her racial slurs and most likley said other demeaning things to her, and now this is her way of enacting revenge. I would not condone their behavior at all, but insensitivity is not rape.

I think that this so called journalist and I will not call her a lady, who wrote this article needs to get her “FACTS” accurate before publishing anything. College kids will be college kids, they do it all over this country not just at “Duke” and for her to capitalize on “Duke” and the Lacrosse team is sad, but I suppose she has to make her money some way. The Lacrosse guys did nothing that no other guy in America wouldn’t have done, other than the racial slurs. Lets face it; In 2006 there is still some racicm out there. The fact is when they contacted this escort service they requested 2 white girls, who wouldnt be pissed if you got 2 black, the same goes for black guys, if you requested 2 black girls and got something else you would react the same. So my point being is, she is pissed at the guys because they were not happy with her or the other dancer, So she took it out on The players, which with her track record is not the first time she tried this stunt and cried rape, look at the facts she had sex with her boyfriend and 2other people that work for the escort service now tell me who’s “thing” wouldn’t be a little swollen. What really makes me sad is the way the writer made the girls from Duke look. If I were a parent of a Duke student I would be livid and this person would be answering to my lawyer. These young ladies at Duke are not at all like this, I am not a student, and I’m speaking up for everyone in this article that trashed and damned. Ending this I again would like to say you must get your facts correct before you go to print. Oh by the way, picnic tables are not at the place you call a “dive” and “grimy”.

As a Duke student, I am offended at the way this article depicts the Duke social scene. The activities described in this article represent a small percent of student life. Duke does a fantastic job of providing many other tasteful, safe and fun party environments for the other 95% of the students who do not wish to participate in “foam party”-type events. Instead of focusing on an isolated incident at one university, your article would have been much more helpful if it took a serious look at the general drinking problem in this country.

When I read you article on the “sex scandal” at Duke, I was reminded of the scene in Spanglish, where Tea Leoni asked Adam Sandler if taking the housekeeper’s kid out without permission was “insane,” or “inconsiderate.”

No, Sandler replies- just “stupid.”

“Stupid” is exactly the adjective I would use in describing your analysis of what goes on at Duke on a normal Saturday night–nights from what I can remember, often involved studying before partying. Did the college you attended have an all-virgin campus, the more social students out holding hands with their respective others, the more studious in their dorm rooms, reading out of a PC book with no curse words or inflammatory ideas? I didn’t think so.

College kids are college kids, no matter how smart or rich. They do stupid things and they learn all the while– I know I did. I don’t condone anything those lacrosse players may or may not have done, but you have to admit, if you went 15 minutes down the road to Chapel Hill, or 30 minutes east to NC State, you could’ve written the EXACT SAME ARTICLE. Except with less readers, of course, since those schools aren’t in the spotlight. I do think its mildly humorous (after I calmed down a bit) that you jumped on the bandwagon of sand-bagging MY alma mater after so many other news media have done so. Well, maybe you didn’t quite jump on as much as run behind it.

Yeah, at Duke, we embraced the concept of work hard, play hard.
You obviously didn’t work that hard on your skills as an unbiased journalist, considering that your article stank of the sensationalism usually reserved for US Weekly, or alternatively, a Southern Baptist newsletter in . —Look, Duke Students! Their not like US! They bathe in foam and champagne! They “make out” and “dry-hump!” Pray for them!

Is this the same Rolling Stone that featured an underage Britney Spears on their cover? At least college kids are over 18!

No, Duke students are not like you. They are smarter.

After reading past articles that I found intriguing in this magazine, I really expected more from Rolling Stone. I guess you’ve sold out to publishing articles that people will buy and read, rather than will make them think. So I’ll be buying People on the train ride home today-at least it costs less.

The article was a fascinating look into the sexual mores of the co-eds at Duke. But Reitman failed to answer the basic of questions, Do they swallow?

Why don’t you check your sources before deciding to write such a horribly written piece.

The best part about this is that these girls aren’t actually that hot. There is a phenomenon known as “Duke Hot” where girls such as these spend exorbitant amounts of money on their appearance and end up kind of good looking, not actually hot.

The reaction my fellow alumni and I have after reading this article is “What school did they visit?” I can see where the author may have attended one party or talked to a select handful of students to write the article that he wanted to write, but that does not make good journalism. Nowhere in the article is it even noted that behavior ascribed to the “Duke 500″ would mean that less than 10% of the school is engaging or approving of such actions. This is a horrible and purposefully crafted inaccurate protrayal of student life on campus. Had the author bothered to present an accurate picture, I’m afraid the nation would be a lot less shocked when they realized what Duke life is really like. After all, well-mannered students who spend the vast majority of their time engaging in intellectual activities while coming from diverse backgrounds doesn’t exactly sell magazines.

Thank you graduates of Duke, who actually have brains, and wrote that even thought this is an accurate account of student life, it is only accurate for a small precentage of Duke students, whom I would like to honor with the Darwin Award. For being so smart (and entitled) these young people sure act stupidly and dangerously.
Paying $40,000 plus yearly, I sure hope my daughter does not aspire to be in the ‘core four’-definitely high school mentality. Fortunately, she learned that leason in Junior High.
As to the illustrious lacrosse team, it astounds me that as parents and the general adult population(over 40), that we would even question President Broadhead’s decision to stop the Lacrosse season. They broke the rules-many times-and bravo, that he enforced the consequences.

I grew up in Durham. I went to pre-college programs at Duke but ended up going to UNC-Chapel Hill, just a mere 20 miles or so from Duke. And I’ve been reading all the media coverage of the Duke lacrosse scandal.

This article was very disappointing. The writer did not provide very much beyond hearsay from (it seems) the very few students that she talked to. A few obvious questions stood out in my mind even as I read her story:

- How many students actually belong in sororities and fraternities? What percentage of the student body? (My guess is it’s not as many as the writer makes them out to be, and their culture does not automatically translate into a “campus culture”)
- And thus, why is that the actions of few students are construed to encompass the campus atmosphere?
- Where are the minority students? Duke has students from all walks of life. Why didn’t this reporter talk to them? What do the kids who are not from New York, do not wear Marc Jacobs or Donna Karan think about the lacrosse scandal? What is their attitude toward dating and sex?

Janet Reitman, for whatever reason, did not feel it was important to talk to the rest of the campus. She seemed to assume that these girls that she hung out with set the standard of sophistication for the rest of campus. She fawned over the girls, with her many descriptions of how “cultured” the girls are and how well they dress and how good their grades are and how talented they are, and it seemed like she actually bought into their B.S.

But my guess is that the situation at Duke is similar to the one at UNC. The members of the sororities and fraternities strut around campus, thinking they are so hot. But the rest of the student body just blinks and laughs at them behind their back.

Maybe if Reitman had actually done her job, which is to report fairly and accurately on the situation at Duke, she could’ve told a truthful story about the sexual culture at Duke. But the article as it stands just paints a vague picture of the horrendous habits of the few.

And… why should we as readers care?

Congrats to Ms. Reitman for having the courage to paint this picture of one of America’s most “elite” schools. However, this is not just a Duke issue. All of these actions could and do take place at many, if not all, of America’s top institutions of higher learning. The usage Duke as the common thread may be unfair, but the article is more about elitism, feminism, sexual standards and the state of America’s future men and women than about the hallowed halls of Duke. All of you have a right to be angry about this article, but strip (no pun intended) away your Duke connections; clean off your Duke blue paint from your face and what you see is a big problem on your campus. Own up to it instead of fighting it and pointing fingers. You are one of the Top 5 schools in the country; have the audacity to say things are not right on your campus and have the courage and will to see it through. Everything in life catches up to you (just ask those Laxers and Core Four girls in a few years); if you Dukies do not realize this now and continue to make excuses for yourselves, you’re going to get eaten up alive in the real world by Harvard, Stanford, Tufts, UPENN and Dartmouth grads and believe me, living in Durham for the rest of your lives while rehashing the good old days will get boring very quickly.

What Duke grad lives in Durham all their lives?

And Tufts? C’mon.

Nice job, imitating Penthouse Letters.

How do I know? Because after 5,000 words, you’d never know DOOK has a little basketball team.

I mean, realy — like Slick Willie without Monica. Your copy desk must be on Mars ..

I just graduated from Duke about a month ago. Thankfully, i was able to meet a huge cross section of people in my four years at duke, including many members of this “Duke 500″. I, personally, was not part in a “top” fraternity but know enough about it to say this article depicts, accurately, a minority of Duke students.

Obviously not every memebr of this group participates or condones the alcoholic and “sport” sex culture. But, as a whole, these groups perpetuate gender roles, race roles, and social norms as an institution. The Greek population is a minority of students, however, it is the majority voice on campus. Obviously, the students who are socially adept are more likely to be in leadership positions among their peers (athletically, academically, or socially). This is why its easy for Duke to seem like a raging party school with easy women, dominanting men, and abuse of any substance that will allow overly stressed, anxiety-filled, insecure, and highly motivated people to forget they are at an elite university to learn, academically and socially. Its easy to do, considering many (not all) of these students come from families able to afford a Duke education without or with litttle financial aid. So you create a pool of rich, self-serving people who haven’t learned their lessons from high-school social climbing.

That being said: this is an accurate representation of a minority at duke. and this culture is certainly not limited to duke.

To those of you who are disguted at the “lies” in this article, i urge you to think about your friend’s (or friend of friends) stories that deal in the “Duke 500″. This article did not say anything new and only recounts incidents from Duke culture and how they are seen by some duke students.

The article, when its over, exhibits the real life issues of male dominated/controlled social culture that the duke women, who are in it, believe they are not doing anything wrong and have their own choice. These girls in the article show the problem. The problem of young women in our society, not just at Duke. Did you notice how often the world “like” was quoted? Like, a lot. Their statements show how these women are buying into an institutionalized male dominated social culture. At at duke it is even more obviously. Sororities do not even have housing on campus. Frats do. Women are expected to adhere to this “effortless perfection”. It is not said in public, but duke culture pushes it. The women quoted EVEN recognized it! But they still participate and believe in social hierarchy.

How can you read that article and say that these women aren’t being disillusioned into believing they have a choice, that they are in control? This is not to say women are lost and can’t create their own opinions. The majority of Duke women do. They do not participate in these activities, parties, or care about dating a “Duke 500″.

Young america has a problem. Duke may be an elite university with wonderful academics, students, teachers, and leaders, but we are still part of young america. Even though this article highlights a minority, there is something wrong when the rest of us at Duke ‘observ’ our student “leaders” (note: many of whom are entering our elite corporations and graduate institutions) continuing the tradition of institutionalized discrimation, sexism, and a self-perpetuating hierarchy of social status.

To me, the article was pointing out how academically smart women can buy into a male dominated culture that has created a void of morals in young america. The author subtly exposed the artificial girls of the “core fore” who are trapped into a culture exploiting them while demanding they meet the highest standard.

I love Duke and i would recommend any high school student over ANY university. While i hate that Duke has to be the centerpiece of this article, i think it exposes a universal problem among american unversities. Racism, sexism, and discrimation are still relevant problems to our universities. Duke’s now high-profile social culture among (mostly) Greeks is a reflection of a larger problem among American Unversities. Each school will have its own specific issues and nuances, the larger issues will remain. That is what we should be looking at in this article and not the Duke specific situation.

duke sucks.

go UNC

I grew up in Chapel Hill. I was raised a Tar Heel, and always had dreamed of going to UNC, but then this thing called reality hit me and I realized how much better of a school lay just 10 miles up the road.

Sadly, this article is one of the most poorly portrayed explanations of the social scene at Duke that I have ever seen. I wonder if the author of this piece spoke tried to speak to anyone other than the girls in this article. They represent a tiny proportion of the women in the “core four” and in the Lax “inner circle” and an even smaller proportion of the women at Duke overall. I wonder if the author of this article thought to read any commentaries in the Chronicle which is the university’s newspaper. Broader more accurate views of the students at duke, their sexual behavior and the duke lacrosse scandal are available there. Did the author even attempt to recognize that the members of the “core four” make up about 15% of the women at duke and even if they all of these women participated in the social scene as did the women quoted in the article – which they do not – that would still be a fraction of the women at duke. This by no means constitutes a set of social norms as portrayed in the article. I attended Duke on financial aid and loans and thank the Lord that I had the chance to do so. To see it represented in the public spotlight in such a negative and inaccurate way is very painful and makes me wonder why so many people are going to such great lengths to portray the student body as foolish, rich, white, superficial, sexually promiscuous and shallowly insecure. I have tried not to take it personally but the attacks on duke students as a whole are so rampant and so untrue that I feel as though lies are being told in the national media about me and my classmates. I take that very personally.

My guess would be this an accurate description of most college cammpuses in America an most of us schocked parents were much the same in our day and yes it is fair to say that this is a minority of the students but a decent size minority which is ok as alot of students say as long as they do well in school a little partying never hurt anyone as for the rpae allegations to me nothing more than a race issue not anything else and something for the da to get relected with

holla at a playa when you see him in da street

No one’s going to read a long comment so I’ll make it short and sweet. I’m a rising sophomore at Duke University, and this article takes the cake for worst representation of Duke Undergraduate life. Not only did the author create a false conception of the “hookup culture,” she wrote an article highlighting a tiny part of the student body. The sad thing is, though, the girls she interviewed could write a better, more balanced article drunk at Shooters than she did.

judging by the posts from present and recently graduated Duke students, this school is in dire need of FEMA-level Freshman Composition aid…

I hope you realize that this is an informal discussion board and that most of the above arguments, including the more loquacious ones, were written in the span of less than 10 minutes.

I for one enjoyed your article on campus culture at Duke. While I was appalled at what I read, I will direct my disgust at the culture at large; it makes no sense to blame the reporter.

I graduated from college in 2003 and while I did not attend Duke I saw enough similarity between the culture of my undergraduate university and that of Duke to believe there is truth to the article.

The problems of undergraduate culture in general are, I believe, at their most extreme at both Duke and in the South. The rape case does more to highlight the increasing pressures on young woman, a fact your reporter picked up on, than any other piece I’ve read in a long time. Whether the allegations are true or not, they have done a lot to expose the baser elements of how our culture defines a woman’s conception of herself.

You see, my generation expects women to be smart, career driven and hot. That is going to have to change.

It sounds as if Duke student behavior has changed little in the past 20 years. As a “Core Four” member, BMOC dater, anorexic, honor student, the article brought back a lot of memories, not all of them positive. But that’s the college experience for a certain group of kids.

I suppose the good news is that at my recent 20th reunion all of my spoiled, wild friends had become boring, old farts with great careers and kids.

if she would have done any investigating on her article she would have found out that the so called “core four” along with the lacrosse team do more fundraising so how about some respect for these young adults. these young adults are doing more than just partying they are raising money for the hurricane victims, american red cross, breast cancer, and i could go on but i dont have to because just those few should say enough, i applaud these students for getting together to help a good cause.

As a Duke Grad, I must admit that a lot of the depictions are somewhat accurate. There is a sect of the student body, albeit small, that engages in the aforementioned lifestyle of hedonism and misogyny. The Core Frats do have events that are degrading to women, but they are only degrading if women do not participate willingly.

But again, the group described as the Duke 500 is such a small part of the entire student body.

From speaking to friends, the culture described in Reitman’s article is much closer to the life on Dartmouth’s campus. Dartmouth is much more f*cked up place than Duke given its history of being Greek dominated and male-centric (it was one of the last ivies to go co-ed). Dartmouth’s drinking culture has lead to a highly visible hook-up and drug culture that would make any parent’s jaw drop. The effect that Dartmouth’s social scene has on women is profound, because everything is dominated by the frats (there just isn’t anything to do in Hanover) and women almost have to submit to what the boys control.

But in summary, while this article has some truth to it, by no means is it an accurate representation of the school and the make-up of its student body.

Did you know that there was two young men that wont even at the party that she claims raped her? They have proof that they werent there. Now she is claiming another man raped her that wasnt there either! This particular woman has already one time in the past said her boyfriend raped her in which he didnt. Then she claimed that more men a few years ago raped her she has records of having to go to a phycologist because she has mental problems. I think since the lives of two innocent young menwere ruined because of her lies, they shpuld sue her for slander. I am from NC and this portrays Duke University as a no good party school,which isn’t true, there is some brilliant people there in fact about 97% of the people that go to that school is good natured. I think rape is a disgusting thing, anybody that commits this should be locked away, but I DO NOT think she got raped.

this whole thing is bullshit! It is obvious that the stripper is a liar. I think for all the people wanting to talk about duke,should get their damn facts straight before saying things about all of us

Becca Cook got big tits

Cathy McGee,

I am a female graduate of the class of 2002. It saddens me to hear your disappointment and disgust with the women at Duke so severely juxtopposed by your encouraging words for the male athletes. Are we following the same “scandal” here? Since when did the women of Duke University become the accused? Secondly, it is so disheartening to hear people accept this highly editorialized and exaggerated article written by one of the many members of the media looking for a new angle on Duke. I hope you read the very thoughtful article by Bronwyn Lewis below to understand a little more about the wonderful school that I attended for 4 years.

Who gives a fuck? You act like strippers are actual people who have rights. Who gives a shit about this slut?

Another for the “shoulda fact checked” bin: the fraternity denigrated in Ms.Reitman’s article is Delta Sigma Phi, not “Delta Sigma Pi”. Her “typo” resulted from cutting and pasting from DukeObserver’s blog, where the exact same error appears.

As the caveman on the TV commercial so eruditely states, “Yeah…next time, maybe do a little research.”

While this article is sensationalized, it also nails the Greek part of Duke–around 35 to 40% of the student body and mostly Caucasian. It definitely leaves out positive activities of other students. With the lacrosse debacle at Duke, it’s no surprise that the writer would focus on the sensational. And, to be honest, the sensational often dominates a campus scene, unfortunate as that is. We’ve learned, I think, that it doesn’t take too many terrorists to cause havoc. A few people acting out can cause problems for all. This is what we’re seeing with many acting out, dysfunctional college students. They are a danger to themselves and their fellow students and the admninistration would do well to expel them. So what if other schools in the nation have similar problems? Each university must deal with its own student population. To not do so is like saying: so-and-so’s family is a mess. Or Jimmy gets to do that, why can’t I? Duke has to solve Duke’s problems and Brodhead and Student Affairs began with that this year. K-ville was changed; tailgating was changed and sure, there were whiners, grousers, but there were many students who were glad for the change. Duke needs to keep it up. The lacrosse debacle occurred over springbreak, and the last words the coach said to the lacrosse team (then in the midst of their season was…don’t do anything stupid.) And they did, just in having the party that they held. Regardless of the outcome of the rape allegations. Their actions, that aside were obnoxious and stupid, not to mention, illegal (alcohol to underage, etc.)
The insecure women who “think” they are “liberated” and “equal” to males by acting as this article describes are misogynists themselves. They hate themselves and their own sex, seeing little value in females. They will probably grow up to be some unhappy rich alpha male’s wife, spending time shopping and sipping martinis and planning parties to help further their husband’s career. To some that sounds good until they are there. And until their alpha male leaves them for a “hot” young thing. They know not the slightest thing about feminism and are buying into male-dominated culture as many posters have mentioned. Duke females (and those at other universities, no doubt)need to get a grip and perhaps some therapy–figure out what THEIR priorities are, not the priorities of the guys they crave for validation (this NEVER works.) The sooner they figure that out, the better. Some never do. Some do. They also are involved in a level of sexual abuse themselves– of younger males that is sick. They need to face that.
The universities across this nation need to say “enough.” These students can go elsewhere. Perhaps the U.S. Armed Services could use them. They’d grow up fast there without the entitlement, which is their biggest stumbling block.
Sad for the students who aren’t like this but have to put up with it on their campus. It has more of an effect than perhaps likes to be admitted and is realized.
Duke alum

I think Ms Reitman published a fair and balanced portrayal of real student life that exists on campus. I especially enjoyed how she mentioned that students do a great deal of studying due to a tremendous workload, spend time doing scientific research alongside their professors, participate in big brothers and sisters, act in performances, participate in the jazz ensemble, play club sports, and take part in student government.
Wait a second, she included none of this in her article!
Maybe she should make another trip down to durham to see what the student body is really doing with their lives.

As a feminist, this article depressed the hell out of me. All of these women are laboring under the completely misguided notion that feminism was brought about so that they could trade sex for popularity without being looked down on, apparently–although they obviously ARE looked at with contempt and used as objects in these privileged young white boys’ games. After I finished reading, I felt sick and disgusted thinking about how long the road ahead is for third-wave feminism …especially considering that some of the nation’s smartest young women whose help we could use the most think that feminism is pointless and dead.

I’ve read the other articles and I have to say 5% or 10% – even 1% would be too much for the kind of sexist behaviour I read about. What I want to know is – why aren’t the young men being spoken to about their abominable behaviour? Why isn’t that frat house being shut down? Why is the focus on how the young women behave? What about the young men? Why isn’t the university cracking down on this kind of behaviour? I thought the article was sad – 2006 and young women still craving the approval of young men in such a demeaning manner. All the ‘good taste in clothes’ in the world won’t make up for feeling inadequate. These young women and men need to start respecting themselves and each other.

As one of the world’s largest and oldest women’s membership organizations, the National Panhellenic Conference (NPC) disagrees with Ms. Reitman’s characterization of sorority women. The adverse actions and perspectives of a few sorority women on the Duke campus should not be generalized to that university’s sorority population or to sororities nationwide. NPC and its 26 member groups are values-based organizations that encourage a high standard of conduct among its over 3.8 million members. The risky activities detailed in the article are contrary to the standards of behavior developed by the member groups. Further, individual members are held accountable by their national organization when standards are violated.

Far from condoning the type of behavior described in the article, the National Panhellenic Conference provides support and guidance to its 26 member groups that, in addition to promoting high academic achievement, encourages collegians and alumnae to adhere to high standards of values and societal behavior. NPC member groups adopt policies and rules and regulations that prohibit alcohol in chapter facilities, require compliance with state and local law and prohibit hazing of any kind. When an individual member of an NPC sorority violates those rules, she is held accountable by the group to which she belongs.

As training grounds for tomorrow’s leaders, sororities establish programs and activities that teach essential leadership and business skills including ethics, accountability and cooperation. While bringing this to light in the article may not make for riveting reading, it does provide a more balanced treatment of sororities and the bright young women who are members.

I just graduated from Duke. Most of this article is true for some nights. As an athlete, this whole system allowed me to get a ton of ass. Thanks Duke.

I am Duke alum. Graduated in May of this year.

This article is ridiculous. As another reader mentioned, the interviewer went after 5% of the Duke population: the insecure, self-absorbed losers in designer gear. The majority of the hard-working Duke population was ignored for the sake of sensationalism. Give me a break.

Most Duke students, girls included, just shake their head when they hear of the pathetic exploits of the supposedly glamorous “Core 4″ (I hadn’t even heard of that phrase before I read the article, and I had been at Duke for four years, a wee bit longer than the journalist in question) and their hangers-on. For us, getting wasted every available minute is boring. Almost as boring as chasing unsatisfying drunken sex around campus. Sheesh. We have papers to write, deadlines to meet, roses to smell.

I feel sorry for the girls in this article, but they don’t represent me or anything I aspire to. The same goes for the majority of girls who worked hard enough to get into Duke. .

I hate Duke. It’s a bunch of trust-fund nerds. If you go to Duke then you’re probably insecure about something in the first place. Duke is the most arrogant institution that I’ve ever visited. (I visited Brown, Yale, Harvard, Vanderbilt, and Princeton). When I did the Duke tour, their attitude was, “You should want to come to Duke and if you don’t then there’s something wrong with you”. Declining Duke’s admission offer was one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever done.

These girls make me sick! They are the reason us girls are called hoes and sluts. It’s nice to see where their parents money is going! It’s sad to think about the people way more deserving of an education that can’t afford it and then read about these sluts at duke! What pathetic excuses for women!

Somebody should inform those “intelligent” Duke girls who were interviewed that rape is not about sex. Rape is about violence and control. It is a serious problem.

I would like to see more outrage that there are people don’t get THAT than that their precious alma mater was exposed or that they were misrepresented in a rock and roll magazine!

Oh, and not to say that the rape did or did not occur…I’m just saying that the ignorance of these girls about rape may cause them troubles somewhere down the line…

True Blue,
This so-called “Much better school 10 miles down the road” also costs over 3 times as much. Worth it? Absolutely not. The school I chose is 4th in the nation for the program that I am doing. Duke? Not listed.

Duke is just as expensive as out of state tuition for UNC. Furthermore, If you want to compare top academic programs, Duke has got UNC beat. Top programs at Duke include, Economics, Public Policy, Foreign languages, Political Science, all of the physical and life sciences, history, biomedical engineering, mechanical engineering and many others. Then there are the graduate schools…should I even begin?

The big question from this article is: what fate befalls these lovely Duke ladies? The reality is that sex is by nature the most personal thing a person can do. So having random sex with dozens of strangers over time makes girls “psycho” (barren of real emotions) as any NYC guy can attest. The problems really hit home after graduating when they jump from the frying pan (Duke) into the fire (NYC). DukeObserver talks about the psycho sorority girls and their cocaine use and gets to the heart of the problem: rampant sex is emotionally destuructive to body and soul. They are like Ferraris with 100k miles on them. Talk to former sorority girls in their 30s…. they are always haunted by their past and humiliated by their actions. Hopefully they grow past it, but most never really do and live lives of petty narcisism, emptyness, promiscuity, envy and materialism.

This article is in no way representative of the experience I had during my four amazing years at Duke. As a female and an ‘06 graduate, I am disappointed that Rolling Stones singled out a very small minority and tried to pass it off as representative of the larger campus community. Shame on Rolling Stones for picking scandal over substance.

I can appreciate that maybe the article covers only a minority of the student body at Duke and I can appreciate that this phenomenon is not specific to the university. My post is directed at “Sarah”, “Naomi”, “Anna”, and “Allison” and any other like-minded and like-situated female students at Duke and anywhere else.

WHERE’S THE INTELLIGENCE?! Can you not appreciate a situation for what it is? You are being used. Do you know how I figure? Because of this quote fragment: “…and it’s like, oh, she’s so lucky that she got him.” You wake up in the morning, coming out of your boozy haze, and that emptiness starts to sink in.

That’s the difference between y’all and a stripper is that they UNDERSTAND the deal and that they are $100 dollars richer.

Your education will come in handy when you need to pay your therapist bills. Good luck with that!

A very nice essay by Ms. Lewis.

Personally, as a father of young girls (pre-K), I hear about a early-teen culture where girls start chasing (IM’ing, etc) guys before the guys even care and I worry about girls getting caught in a cycle of trying to please boys. The girls in the article seem caught in that cycle. I am very heartened to read the poster sabove describe Duke female students as, by and large, more secure and mature that the interviewees in the Rolling Stone article.

The guys sound like guys always have been in college. A lot of guys act immaturely in college and most will take what they can get, from girls.

Personally again, I will note that I have been at the Washington Duke Hotel during school (for ball games) and was amazed that the Thursday night CI -> Hideaway scene of othe late 80’s was being recreated at the W. Duke bar, only at $12 per cosmopoliton. I can’t help but think Duke was a better and more egalitarian place when people;s social life was on-campus and focused on cheaper beer and pizza.

They DO swallow

A. DTD is definitely NOT a top fraternity;
B. No one goes to Shooters;
C. Everyone, from the LAX players to the girls interviewed in the article, are northern transplants. I can’t believe that no one brings this up. There is a huge population on campus who look down on these kids for their unfounded snobbery and trashy behavior. Quite frankly, this population knows only to appear in print when they are married and when they die, apparently unlike their nothern peers.

Okay so… I go to Duke. I’m female. I’m in a sorority. I’m from the North… so basically from that listen of four things that happen to be a part of my life I also happen to be white, ridiculously wealthy, anorexic and workout savvy, a frat groupie that has a lot of sex to raise my social status while simultaneously working my ass off in Bostock to raise my GPA, and I have a trust fund?! It’s amazing how this one article seems to have allowed so many peoplt to know me so well! Exciting really.

Let’s be honest, there is some (read: miniscule amount of) truth in that article. There was a foam party. There was a lot of alcohol. Girls were in bikinis and there were lots of bubbles. I’d say that describes a good time. Wait, I was there. I had a really good time.

And as the article also states, there are people (read: ridiculous self-obsessed girls) who attend Duke that enjoy using the phrase “throwin’ down plastic.” (I personally believe that, that in itself should make these girls lose all sort of credibility in representing the 42% of Duke females that are in sororities along with the entire population of Duke females in an interview for a widely read and usually highly credible magazine, but that is just my personal opinion.) And there may be a Duke 500, but really, if you have to give yourself a name to prove how elite you are, let’s face it… you are trying REALLY REALLY hard to prove how cool you are. You are trying even harder to prove your elitism if you bring a reporter to Shooters (IT’S SHOOTERS. It’s sacred. NO reporters allowed.), the Nasher, the WaDuke, your bedroom (hell you have a lot of sex, why not!) …to chat about just how much money you have, how cool you are, how little you date (because dating doesn’t exist at Duke), how gorgeous you are, how tough it is to stay in the library until 11 pm, and how much MORE effort it takes to then go out afterwards. Partying should be, like, another class or something! Really?

I have to say that I don’t know Bronwyn Lewis, but I want to. Sure, her response was a little long, but it was well-written and basically displayed everything wrong with the article from the standpoint of somebody who actually – gasp!- GOES TO DUKE and witnesses all aspects of life at Duke from a first-hand position.

While I can applaud this article for making my non-Duke friends THAT much more eager to visit to see if aspects of this article are in fact true (I mean really, advertising an easy lay, rivers of booze, AND hot smart chicks? AMAZING marketing strategy for travel to good old Durham, especially when targeting other college students), adding to the negative publicity that our University is already getting clearly does not help the situation.

While my knee-jerk reaction is to condemn Reitman for interviewing with a very select group of people, there is still truth to her article. There is no real “dating” at Duke until you move off-campus and/or come close to graduating. There is a culture of “hookups” and drunken revelry on a weekly basis. However, this kind of culture is NOT exclusive to Duke and, in fact, I have been to state schools that make Duke’s social culture look like British soap opera. The one missing piece in Reitman’s article is that yes, while she writes about an “exclusive” group of “500″ students or so, you have to realize that her interviewees are STILL within a small percentage of that group itself. I was a member of one of the “core four” sororities at Duke, took advantage of the social scene, and was one of the “500,” but I know that I was not alone in making sure I never took it too far. There are so many wonderful women at Duke who have their feet on the ground and who also manage to be popular, social, and intelligent without having to descend into drunken stupor on a regular basis. Is it sad that there are women who need to lower themselves, objectify themselves, intoxicate themselves to feel like they are getting the most out of the college experience? Absolutely. But these people are a small group who are open and notorious at Duke and every other top ten school. Everyone knows who these people are, and while I graduated several years ago, the only thing that has changed is the cast.
I think it is a mistake to merely say students “outside” the “core four” or “500″ are not represented in this article – people who characterize themselves as “uncool” by the standards of Duke’s alleged social elite. There is still a sizable chunk of students within the much-maligned elite that look back on their time at Duke without being revisited by the ghosts of hookups past. Strong women thrive at Duke and are given the autonomy to make wise choices for themselves without having to compromise their social life. It’s a shame that the Duke Lacrosse scandal brought Duke women into the fray this way. It might have behooved Reitman to take a deeper cross-section of “core four” women in order to write this article. But then again, she might not have found such a juicy story if she had interviewed true collegiate sorority women (women, not girls) who have their heads properly sewn onto their shoulders.

“”"Duke ‘05 | 6/9/2006, 5:34 pm EST

The best part about this is that these girls aren’t actually that hot. There is a phenomenon known as “Duke Hot” where girls such as these spend exorbitant amounts of money on their appearance and end up kind of good looking, not actually hot.”"”"”

This has to be the funniest thing and the most accurate thing I have ever read from one of my fellow classmates.

I think it would be fairly accurate to say that these women, all between the levels of 5-6 on the 1-10 scale of hotness, may believe they deserve better, but they do not. Many of the guys at Duke feel they must lower themselves to Duke girls, hence the poor treatments.

By the way, most of the guys by the time they’re seniors move on from semi-attractive-when-drunk Duke girls to NC State and UNC’s gorgeous ditzy women who would love nothing more than to bang and then tag a future millionaire Duke professional.

Also I have no problem getting amazingly beautiful women (not duke hot) and I belong to no frats and generally detest their members.

Some points regarding the “article” in Rolling Stone.

First. There are lies, damn lies, and the US news media – which routinely commits sins of omission to sensationalize stories in order to sell papers/magazines. Case in point regarding the Rolling Stone piece. From the Duke Chronicle…

‘In an interview Wednesday, Reitman said she had originally included statistics about Duke’s demographics and other facts in the article that made it clear that the students described were not representative of Duke’s entire social scene.

“I had made it clear it wasn’t all of Duke,” Reitman said of her earlier drafts. “I distinguished the group as a very small number of a larger whole.” ‘

Gotta hand it to Reitman. When trying to get a byline don’t follow the overexposed story (Duke LAX) but follow the theme (Duke sex), have your editor omit anything that might give the story perspective, and achieve plausible deniability about the final results (see above about “earlier drafts”). She’s definitely bright.

Second. When you read the article you get the distinct *impression* that Duke is full of fashion-model coeds with the IQ of Einstein and the morals of Heidi Fleiss. Wow! Now that is a big story!

Well, to give a personal perspective on the Duke student body. Extremely bright, motivated, engaging, self-assured, and very independent – she got that pretty much right. But, in general, hot they are not (guys and girls). Most are pleasant looking but nothing really beyond that. Saw exactly the same profile when I was at Stanford in grad school. You could have replaced one student body with the other and not noticed any difference in any of these facets. And I’m pretty sure that the same is generally true of the other top schools in the US. So here we have a *Columbia* grad (Reitman) stating in the article that the girls are gorgeous (“pair of gorgeous girls”). Hmmm, a female Columbia grad defining what a gorgeous girl is – gorgeous compared to what?

Now as far as morals go, well in any normal (bell curve) distribution there is about 3% of the population at the tail of the distribution – the extreme end greater than 2 standard deviations (where the word “deviant” comes from) from the average. That means for the characteristic of sexual promiscuity that 3% of *any* population is probably, how to say this in a nice way, overtly sexually precocious. That’s probably about 100 female students. That Reitman found 3 of them when she was actively looking for them – is that surprising? The fact that motivated guys will also be able to find that same 3% – is that surprising either?

Clearly a big story…. Told by a big story teller.

response to Tink-09

what you said is correct. to make sure everyone understands something very clear the DTD foam party was a private party and for the so called Sarah she broke the rule of thumb, in that PRIVATE meant PRIVATE, not to sneak a reporter into the club. the same reporter was there the week before and she was told she couldn’t come in and couldn’t take any pictures so she stood across the street and took the photo you seen. shooters is a place that the duke kids go to where they can enjoy themselves and not be harrassed, it is really sad that she had to stoop that low and bring her to a place that they feel is comfortable and not taking a chance of being judged.

and as for duke’07- your opinion is as small as the idiot who wrote the article.

and for the record all three lax guys are innocent, so this silly mess going on needs to come to a end and let these young men get on with their lives.

you could say i am pissed and i have every right to be. i live in durham, and i am sick to death of the stupity that keeps coming up.
the girls at duke had nothing to with the so called rape so the reporter should have left them alone to begin with. private lives and private clubs take a hint.

From Tlesetar 2002: “…there is still truth to her article. There is no real “dating” at Duke until you move off-campus and/or come close to graduating.”

Please do not make such blanket statements about the Duke student body. In doing so, you are no better than Reitman. As a Duke woman who has been happily dating a Duke man for two years, and who feels no outisde pressure or internal urge to succomb to this so called “hook-up culture,” I am offended by the above statement. Daters at Duke DO exist, and when you include those students who are in serious relationships with kids at other schools or from their home-towns, we certainly outnumber those who “hook-up weekly.”

And Brownyn, you ****ing rock.

I graduated from Duke in 1997. Although this seems like ages ago, the culture to which the article was referring was going strong when I was an undergrad and has likely flourished since. It’s interesting to read all the angry emails contesting that there is no dating scene at Duke, for that seems to be a smaller, secondary point of the article. The perversion of the female sense of self and struggle to be accepted, desired and happy among the women on the Duke campus is the primary issue at hand in the piece.

Duke men and women are high achievers, no doubt, and from the first day they arrive on campus they are told point blank by the administration and each other that they are “the elite”. This club of mutual admiration and self promotion takes generally hardworking teenagers and turns them into young adults with a hefty sense of entitlement. I chose to come to Duke over MIT due to the large dose of financial aid Duke granted me, and remember how dumbstruck I was on my arrival at the attitude of so many around me. There is precious little humility at Duke.

Now, of course there are individuals and large groups of students who excel in being human beings and give a lot to their communities. Certainly most grads will go on to complete a fine education and do something good with their lives. But there is a darker side to the place, and perhaps on every high achieving college campus. Young women seem to be losing themselves in the dizzy-drunk world of expensive clothes, designer salads and resume building. It’s clear that many of them cling to acceptance by men as a touchstone, something to set them apart and anchor them in the total meaningless of it all.

I did well at Duke academically, joined a sorority, became rush chair, then dropped out after a rather nasty period of disillusionment with it all. Eventually I found an off campus niche of real people living real lives I could relate to. But I would not recommend Duke to my son and and I would actively steer my daughter away from the place. I see it as one example of many traps in society today, where all the wrong traits are emphasized and all the wrong things are praised.

I still wonder if I wouldn’t have been a better, stronger woman had I gone to MIT.

I have two concerns with the article.

1)As stated above, the sample size is too small. Even if the author spoke to the entire Duke 500, that is less than ten percent of the undergrad population. I personally had never heard the term before, but I’m not a fraternity man.

2)This article has completely omitted the counter movements at Duke. I date a Baldwin Scholar, a femist group who has tackled these EXACT issues and promotes discussion among the student body. But then, as they are unlikely to be in the Duke 500 themselves, I suppose there’s good reason for them to be omitted from this article.

I can understand the targeting of the Duke social scene due to the recent allegations. What I can’t understand is that nowhere in your article do you detail how these activities are different than any other campus? That is because every school in the U.S. has their own foam parties and supply of beer funnels. Although I did my fair share of tailgating while I was in college, I now realize how dangerous the behavior was. Your article should focus more on problem drinking in society than on rich kids who feel entitled.

As for my opinion on the Duke “case”, I am disturbed that groups like the Black Panthers who have condemned these kids without due process. Stereotyping, profiling or presuming guilt on the basis of color and economic status is just as bad if the person is “Rich and White” OR “Poor and Black”.

i agree with you 100%. the black panthers had no business getting involved nor did the naacp. let the judicial system do the job if it can now, in their eyes they are guilty and you cant tell them no different, and that is unfair to the 3 guys.

I think most of you missed the point that J. Reitman was trying to make. The entire article was an op-ed piece on how women are being tricked into their own demise at college campuses everywhere. True, it does happen all over America, even at Duke, even to what you may think are a select few. The author was bringing a very common college scene to light and I commend her for it. What is sad is that people had to be raped in order for this to happen, and that others are still not willing to listen. Colleges and major Universities everywhere are major breeding grounds for rape because of the mass amounts of drugs and alcohol that one can readily get his/her hands on.

Even if the Duke lacrosse players didn’t do it, no woman goes through with rape accusations that are falsities. Rape kits are one of the most invasive procedures out there; the doctors take pictures of you naked, take samples of your pubic hair, run your body over with a black light, etc. And amidst the death threats and stalking that could perhaps ensue, I can assure you that no person would do this on a whim.

I commend Janet Reitman for her article and I hope it makes women everywhere realize that they don’t have to go along with what they feel they need to do for men to be pleased with them.

My daughter’s 2nd choice school was Duke…thank God she got into Princeton early admission. Had she decided on Duke she said that she would definitely ask to defer a year to give her time to find another university to attend given all of the news that has come out on Duke. Say what you will, but Duke is an extreme in its worship of athletics over academics.

i never got the ass the author talks about and i was a #1 pick.

I came on Nan Keohane’s tits.

i guarentee Sarah and Allison are on the bottom of the food chain, have daddy’s money and are miserable. If you find someone just like you, you can lie to each other and both feel good about yourselves.

What I find most disturbing in the article is the complete callousness displayed by the young women. They point out the woman who was possibly raped was a stripper and seem to imply she had brought the rape onto herself because of her career choice. Apparently these women don’t realize that

1. Not all people are as naturally intelligent, gifted, or beautiful as they are.
2. Most people are not given a choice when it comes to what they do with their lives.

If they were mothers, and the only way they could support their children was by “stripping” for a living, would they?

It’s very likely the woman who was allegedly raped didn’t want to be in the situation she was in, but it was her job. Not that I would expect these Duke students to know what a job is or anything.

I’m not taking sides; I don’t which party is in the right. I just can’t stand the complete arrogance and ignorance of the young women in the article. One of them said the accused lacrosse players’ lives were ruined. Well, there are a lot of people, even in the good ol’ U.S.A., who have it a lot worse off than they do yet manage to survive. And if they really want to see a ruined life, then just look at pictures of starving, sick children in Africa.

to the average joe

you must dont know too much about the case, if you did you would not have written what you wrote. every woman has a decision to make to be in that field, every person has a decision to be on drugs no one forces one to do so. some people in life might not be given the luxuries in life as some, as for myself i was not, i chose to better myself by graduating high school, i didn’t go to college i began working straight out of high school also i point out my grade point average was not good. i am now knocking on 40 and wanted something in my life besides what i seen growing up in the “hood of durham”. i now own 2 business’ and manage another. so dont tell me she couldn’t help herself, all women that go to a community college or college dont have to put themselves school dancing,there are plenty of jobs that are legit that can make you feel better about yourself. if a woman is raped i would 100% stand by her, and personally if she didnt have it in her i would cut his balls off. that is how strongly i feel about this case that she has told a bold face lie. if she can live with that so be it, in the end the truth will come out and all three guys will not be convicted, and nifong will look like a fool. and as i know in the good country of america i have the right to say what i feel. you probably can tell that my language skills are not perfect but i hope i got my point across, and i also hope i give you something to think about before you become judge and jury. i appreciate you taking the time to read my comment.

im an independent, but this article is definitely not representative of even the majority of the ‘duke 500,’ which id never even heard of. however, there is obviously a faction of that group whose actions this article captures- it’s unfortunate however how it portrays this to be a ‘campus culture’ that we all subscribe to.

nothing new under the sun here. people were “hooking-up” and going to kegs 16 years ago when i entered duke as a freshman. i can’t say that i’d ever heard the terms “core four” or the “duke 500″ before; however, i guess a lot of that would have to do with me being a black woman. the greeks dominate the social scene for those who are into pledging/conforming, but the overwhelming majority of duke students are independents. in my day the alcohol-fueled binges were confined primarily to campus and just a few of the trinity park houses when i was there, but it’s all the same- silly, druken girls competing to have sex with stupid drunk guys. the most interesting aspect of the article is the post-feminist backlash that seems to be taking place among the young women- they’re willing accomplices in their own debasement and objectification. then again, they had the same type of activities going on when i was there – cattle drives, theme parties (with less risque names of course), and keg parties that lasted all weekend long- plenty of opportunities for women to dehumanize themselves.

As a female Duke alum, I take offense at the portrayal of these sorority woman as the “cream of the crop” of Duke women. These people were jokes when I was at Duke for the exact reasons identified in the article – they had extremely low self-esteem but, some how, extremely high entitlement. To identify “Duke women” as people who would sleep with and look up to the men in the article, is to speak ill of everyone I valued in college. Please widen your circle of acquaintance before you write another article.

First let me start out by saying that I find it horrific and terrible with respect to what happen to the stripper at the Duke Lacrosse house, if indeed it is true? That being said, the statement “if indeed it is true” does not mean I believe or disbelieve one way or the other,I just feel that 12 of our peers (jury) will make a just decision when the trial comes up next spring. I have faith in our legal system.

I am a woman and a feminist. I believe a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body, and if using her body for stripping is what she chooses to do, so be it. However, as with all jobs, construction workers, heavy machinery workers, even the type of work I do as a lawyer, which involves typing a lot of pleadings…etc…which could open me up to a risk of carpal tunnel, there is a RISK in practically every job a person performs. This woman’s career choice, has put her in a position of being at RISK for being groped, fondled and unfortunately………..raped. I think that most people incorrectly term it “she is a stripper she is asking for it” and should describe it more along the lines of when you are a stripper, unwanted sexual advances (unfortunately) are an “occupational hazard” including rape. Statistics don’t lie, and they include a high proportion of women in the sex industry having been raped.

Now as far as the women are concerned that were interviewed in this article, when I read this I immediately had flashbacks from when I was in college back in the mid-1990’s. I went to a major university in Pennsylvania and was part of a sorority. One of my sorority sisters was assaulted at a fraternity party one night, because she was sticking up for some of her fellow sisters (me included) that were being harassed by some of the frat brothers whom were being REALLY agressive with their sexual advances.

My friend ended up getting severly hurt and pressed charges against the fraternity and the individual whom assaulted her. You would have thought that women everywhere on campus would have sprung to our defense? No. We were treated like outcasts……..the “boys will be boys” mentality was taken. It was amazing to me that women, intelligent women, could degrade themselves to stick up for men whom were so abusive and disrespectful to women. That is what this article and these women that were interviewed remind me of? It is SO sad, to see that not much has changed on college campuses since the 10 years ago that I graduated? Men, no matter what they do, are still revered (especially if they belong to an organization) while women continue to perpuate the disrespect by allowing themselves to be treated this way?

Maybe in another 10 years things will change? Let’s hope so?

Excellent site, added to favorites!!

Wonderful pages! Keep up the grat work.

Actually,I’m sick and tired of blacks constantly turning everything negative that happens to them into a “racial” thing.Like they never do no wrong??!!! It’s always Whitey’s fault! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

I just watched the parents of the accused on “60 Minutes”. When asked by Lesley Stall what their children were thinking, one parent acknowledged “poor judgment”. I agree – I also have a thought: Actions have consequences, and maturity is nothing more than accepting the consequences of your actions. I just wish these indignant parents had done a better job of teaching these children (in EVERY sense of the word)that. I guess boys will be boys – and that is all they are: little boys.

I think the whole evening was staged for the press.
You were spoofed.
The quote from the Women’s Center Director is sure enough proof that they kids set you up.
If women college students are having that many problems then the Duke Medical School would be studying such weirdness and being quoted by you.
You need to get a recent college graduate to reviewed your work before you publish.
BMOC at Duke. Give me a break.

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