Talk to the chap on the phone, however, and you're reminded less of
some dark, towering musical icon than an exceptionally shy, polite
and quietly charming Hugh Grant character. It's a little unsettling
coming from a guy whose new album ends with the chilling verse, "I
stole your soul -- when you weren't looking . . . Hope you like the
new me." But in its own way, it all fits. Mock Tudor as a
whole concerns life in and around London, particularly as viewed
from the endless suburbs that surround it. The cover captures a
scene of plastic paradise, replete with perfect, cookie-cutter
house, vast green yard and happy, argyle-sweatered family. Though
you can't quite put your finger on it, there's something decidedly
creepy in the state of Pleasantville.
Mock Tudor is all about your life growing up in
and around the suburbs of London. You're not still out in the
'burbs, are you?
Well, yeah, I'm afraid I am. But certainly a nicer suburb than
where I started. I'm in Hampstead. I grew up in Archway. Hampstead
is further up the hill -- I've been crawling my way up.
How long have you wanted to make this particular album
about your roots?
Well it's one of several possible projects that I've had kicking
around or stashed away in a small corner. And I suppose I had a
couple of songs that seemed to go with that theme already written,
and it just seemed like a good time to try and do a whole album
about London. So I started writing to see what would happen, and it
turned out to be pretty easy.
How have your feelings about London changed?
I've always loved it and hated it. The suburbs I don't particularly
care for. I actually grew up in a block of apartment flats, but at
some point we moved out to a true Mock Tudor for a few years, which
was a very boring two years. I was about fifteen, sixteen. And we
moved further out in the suburbs, which was a disaster. Absolute
hell -- endless commuting to get to anything good. But there's
extraordinary history in the city itself. At the moment, London has
become very cosmopolitan, more so than ever. It's a real jumping
city, especially for young people.
A lot has been made about your change of producers for this
album, from Mitchell Froom to Tom Rothrock and Rob Schnapf. What
was the most dramatic thing that they brought to the
mix?
I don't think there was anything that dramatic. On record, I always
like a simpler sound, a garagey sort of sound. Mitchell Froom
achieved that with more off-mic stuff and distorted stuff, whereas
Mock Tudor is very much a straight-ahead kind of record.
It didn't need anything particularly to be done with it. And it
just sounded complete. There wasn't a need to go in and mash it
around. And to pay tribute to the producers, it was the kind or
record that I wanted to make, and I feel like they presented me
with that -- like giving me my own record, which is the highest
thing you can say, really.
Your son Teddy plays guitar on this album, and he's touring
with you. When were you first fully aware of his own musical
leanings?
I don't know. He was sort of sneaky about it, really. I think he
started playing guitar when he was about six, but he wasn't the
most diligent student. He was in a school group when he was about
fourteen, fifteen, which was actually a great band. But in terms of
writing, I'm not sure when I first heard one of his songs. But it
was a pleasant surprise. It's nice to say he really is a good
writer, not just because he's a member of your family. It's a
relief, actually, to not have to be nepotistic about it.
When you listen to music today, do you get the sense that
the guitar as a melodic instrument is a dying breed, or are you
intrigued with the way music's changed?
In terms of guitar playing, I don't think anybody's really gotten
past Hendrix. There's been flashes of good guitar players, and
there's been a lot more notes, but I don't think there's been quite
that balance of experimentation and musicianship and soul that you
had with Hendrix. So the future of the guitar, well, who knows, it
could be bleak. In terms of popular music, it seems like
something's around the corner. It's at kind of a low ebb at the
moment, but that's often the time when something really interesting
is about to happen.
You've always excelled at great broken love songs, from
"Walking on a Wire" on Shoot Out the Lights to "Dry My
Tears and Move On" on Mock Tudor. Is that just theme you
enjoy, or do they all come from one particular muse, one great love
of your life?
Well, I wouldn't tell you anyway [laughs]. But actually, I think I
sit down to try and entertain myself and to see what will happen,
to write a first line and think, "Hmm, that seems interesting," and
then I want to see what the next line will be. Obviously there are
things about your own life in there, but I don't think that's the
point of it. The point is to write a good song, and if the audience
likes it, then generally you've succeeded in communicating
something. But I don't think you always write with that kind of
self-consciousness.
When you write today, do you feel more assured of your
abilities, or is it a matter of, "How much more can I wring out of
myself?"
[Laughs] How much more can I wring out of myself? I don't know. But
I think I've got the craft a bit better now. There's less wastage,
and I can focus on writing better and come up with the goods a bit
quicker. But I think emotionally it's still as intense. It takes a
lot out of oneself to play music, to write, to make records. And I
don't see any end to that really.
Mock Tudor is being hailed as one of your best
albums in years. When you listen to it, or any album you've just
completed, do you feel like you've gotten better? Or do you still
match everything you do up against something from your
past?
I think generally it improves in terms of skill, but you don't hit
it on every record. I think I've done a lot of records that are
half-good, and I think a lot of other musicians would say the same
thing. It's easy to be satisfied with about six tracks on an album,
but it's hard to like twelve tracks on an album. On the new record,
however, I'm still fairly fond of most of it. That's a good thing.
I don't think there's any tracks on it I hate. We're still on the
honeymoon period.
Any idea what you want to do on your next album? Your
projects tend to vary dramatically each time out.
I do have a pile of projects, but I'm not sure which is the best
one to go with.
What are some of the options?
That would be telling. I'm not allowed to tell. That's called
counting your chickens I think. But I don't know. If this album is
an enormous smash and sells fifteen million, there will be pressure
to do more of the same, so we might have to do Mock Tudor
II, or perhaps pick up with a different architectural
style.
RICHARD SKANSE
(September 7, 1999)
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