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Every song you played at Led Zeppelin's reunion show in
London last year started with or was based on a killer riff. What
makes a great Zeppelin riff?
It is something you know instinctively. It has energy and attitude.
There's sex in it as well. It was definitely my concept to have a
riff-based band. My influences were the riff-based blues coming
from Chicago in the Fifties — Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and
Billy Boy Arnold records. "Boogie Chillen'," by John Lee Hooker
— that is a riff. But you take it, absorb it and apply your
own character, so it comes out another way.
Which happened that night. Your guitar-vocal interplay
with Robert Plant, especially in "In My Time of Dying" and
"Nobody's Fault But Mine," sounded brand-new, born on the
spot.
In the Led Zeppelin shows of the Sixties and Seventies, it was the
same numbers every night, but they were constantly in a state of
flux. If I played something good, really substantial, I'd stick it
in again. But Led Zeppelin were a working band in the truest sense.
Even the rehearsals, in the run-up to that night in London, were
dramatically different, in content and drama, from the show, which
had its own character.
How hard was it to hear American blues and rock &
roll records in Britain when you were growing up in the
Fifties?
To hear current releases, you tuned in to AFN, the Armed Forces
Network in Europe, and hoped that you could catch the title of
something after they played it. We never got to see Elvis
Presley until we saw his films. But the people who got sucked into
rock & roll were collecting records, studying what was coming
out of America. I had a friend who was not interested in a record
unless it was by a black artist.
There was some blues in skiffle music. You got the songs, but the attitude and playing were not there yet. It was a learning experience, tracking these records down and finding the original sources — the Sleepy John Estes version of "Milk Cow Blues," Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup doing "That's All Right."
You just played along to the records?
That's what most of the British guitarists from that period did.
You listened to the solo, lifted the tone arm and put it back down
to hear it again. Once I was able to get a good guitar, my ability
to work out what was being played on those records came in leaps
and bounds.
How did your experiences as a studio guitarist in the
Sixties — playing behind so many different singers —
influence your writing and playing for Zeppelin?
I was very inspired by the [vocal] groups of the Fifties. I loved
the way they worked, the perspective of the guitar within that
sound. Blues was a pivotal thing on the first Zeppelin album. But I
was playing acoustic guitar as well as electric in sessions, and I
was into people like [American studio guitarist] James Burton. I
wasn't into jazz so much — I preferred things raw.
For a short time, you and Jeff Beck both played lead
guitar in the Yardbirds. Did you ever consider having a second
guitarist in Led Zeppelin?
In the Yardbirds, when Jeff was there, we played the riffs in
harmony. The approach was almost like a big band with brass —
the power of that applied to guitars. In Led Zeppelin, I never
considered having anything duplicated, because we were such a
complete unit. We felt we could do anything in-house, certainly on
the records. Once a song got on the road, those parts would change,
especially where there were numerous guitar parts on the record. We
used to do "Ten Years Gone" [on Physical Graffiti], and
that's got lots of guitars. We did a pretty good version. It wasn't
until I played it with the Black Crowes [in 1999] that I heard all
of those parts live. That was a thrill.
How would you describe your tone — or the one you
like most of all?
It varies. I've used pedals going all the way back, pre-Yardbirds.
I was using a fuzzbox in sessions. But the engineers couldn't
understand it. Anything radical, they couldn't deal with it. In the
Yardbirds, I was trying the violin bow and the wah-wah, using
distortion and echo. I had phase pedals and chorus pedals as time
went on.
What attracted you to the bow? It is the signature sound
in "Dazed and Confused."
It was proposed to me when I was doing studio work. One of the
session violinists was the father of David McCallum, the actor in
the TV show The Man From U.N.C.L.E. String players would
keep to themselves, but this guy was quite friendly. He said to me
one day — we'd just finished a session — "Have you ever
tried bowing the guitar?" I said it wouldn't work. The strings
aren't arched over the guitar, the way they are on a violin. He
said, "Have a go." He gave me a bow. I tried it and realized there
was something in it. I don't remember if I used it on any sessions,
but I certainly used it the minute I was in the Yardbirds [notably
on the 1967 single "Little Games"].
Your most famous solo is arguably the one at the end of
"Stairway to Heaven." How much of it did you compose before you
recorded it?
It wasn't structured at all [laughs]. I had a start. I knew where
and how I was going to begin. And I just did it. There was an
amplifier [in the studio] that I was trying out. It sounded good,
so I thought, "OK, take a deep breath, and play." I did three takes
and chose one of them. They were all different. The solo sounds
constructed — and it is, sort of, but purely of the moment.
For me, a solo is something where you just fly, but within the
context of the song.
Young guitarists learn to play now by studying your
riffs and solos. What is left for you to discover on the
guitar?
There is a lot I can and should be doing. The main thing is
quality. I've always had a high bench mark in everything I play.
That won't change. The important thing is to commit to playing. You
have to put a lot in to get a lot out.
The great thing about the guitar, when I was 12 years old, was that it was portable. It made the music accessible to me all the time. I could get together with my mates, and before you knew it you had the serious spirit of music there — even kids just playing a few chords. You can do it with computers and keypads now. But I'm interested in how you get that spirit on the guitar. Because that's my instrument of choice.
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[From Issue 1054 — June 12, 2008]
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